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  1. Here’s more evidence about Mr.Stain’s comment about cell phones actually being true. I never knew they banned wi-fi in daycares in France.

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  2. This is very weird, i know i mentioned it before, but i am re-watching some videos, criticism of films, and i have noticed Minor changes in the videos that i am 100% sure were different. just little things extra lines, while it may be my memory, but there are too many changes for me to ignore it. Has anyone else found that..

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    1. I agree, Martin. Individually, none of them have been big enough to mention here, but it’s always enough for me to wonder how many films I see that were quietly re-issued with directors’ changes. (I’ve done the same thing with a few of my books, when I later found typos I just couldn’t live with. However, I didn’t want to make the re-release into a big deal, drawing attention to the earlier flaws.)

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      1. Even old videos like from the nostalgia critic where he critiques a nostalgic films on youtube he rips into some of the films (non pg), there are lines he says that i dont remember, he is talking about the older films as well.. at first i thought it was just my memory, but theres just too many to discount. my memory isnt that bad.. and the youtubes he has on arent reuploads which makes me go HUH.. the movies he talks about is pre 2005 ish, am wondering if a LOT of movies changed slightly,could be re release, but.. its weird

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        1. Ooh, I’ll have to take a look at some old films with critiques. I used to watch those, often, but… okay, it was so long ago, I’m not sure I’d be sure if something had changed.

          Of course, this gives me a fun idea (not easy, so I’m not likely to do this, but still… fun), with iRiffs that — as the film is played — point out what’s changed in each one. (Ref: http://www.rifftrax.com/iriffs )

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          1. it even changed a day later.. there was a line in the Steel (film) critique, i happened to watch it again on a play list of his the day after.. and the line he said about the film had changed, but i knew it changed then the original line faded from my memory but i remember thinking to myself its changed.. Now it is i remember the effect that “something changed”, rather than the cause “the line itself”.. it did weird me out.. but been watching your tubes a great deal just incase things change and some have.. and since its about media and films, which there seems to be a lot of changes in that field.

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        2. Martin and Fiona ,
          Just thought I would throw this out there. My personal opinion? Is that Google’s AI project is further along than we think. After watching these search engines and YouTube do all kinds “odd” things the last 5-6 months , I’m more convinced. I think someone or something is “self correcting” people’s searches and videos. I’ve noticed strange things with comments appearing,, disappearing, and reappearing not written the way they were originally. Including mine (not here though Fiona ).

          I want to mention this for those curious , Cicada 3301 in my opinion was used to get AI programmers/designers/developers to work for Google or the government (or both , it’s hard to tell them apart anymore). I don’t want to start a discussion on them, this probably isn’t the place for that. Just wanted people to be aware. Like I said , I have been watching the search engines and YT for a while. Mike H.

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          1. Thanks, Mike H, and you’re right about this not being the place for that discussion. However, I’ll admit that I’m far too close to getting up on my soapbox about that exact topic.

            Meanwhile, I appreciate the time you’re putting into this kind of research, and your insights are always helpful. Thank you!

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            1. For me its reality is changing, in micro ways.. a line here a line there, something we normally wouldnt notice, unless there are a lot of us remembering the same change, sex in the city.. how many other changes we have just missed because we havent been concentrating, I know even in normal tv theres moments where i go. HUH.. thats not right.. then oh it is.. then its scratch head and go on, because it had not large impact on me. Something like Luke i am your father.. its more recognisable as its an iconic line.. what are the other lines, has other lines in star wars changed and we dont notice it because its not an iconic line.. (and i know about the lucas re releases and change of stories and the alterations), but talking about minor things that doesnt have an impact.. reading books, i read them and entire chapters, paragraphs have changed from what i remember, Hell even entire storylines change from what i remember.. So its more to do with reality changing for me,

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              1. Martin,
                I agree with you on this. How many small changes have we missed? Personal, and public ones. Micro changes is a good name to call these. I have started noticing a lot more of these lately. It’s as if the “marker” changes (the big ones), worked , and caught some of our attentions. In other words, the markers did their job, maybe?? We all noticed, like we were supposed to. Now we are aware. Not trying to be religious or spiritual(which is fine for some, just didn’t want to go down THAT path, lol) but maybe something is trying to tell us something? Or makes us aware of something. Just thinking out loud. Mike H.

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          2. Dear Martin and Mike h.

            This is all very intriguing is there a webspace or Reddit forum where we could discuss this line of theory without mucking up dear fionas’s spot??

            I was looking at some of my yt spots from a few days ago that I watched to see if I could spot any glitches… honestly I’m not sure… I’m going to try several experiments the next several days and see if there are changes.

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            1. Well, yes, there are several Reddit sub-groups related to the Mandela Effect. Some even use the name. I’m not in those groups, but they seem very active.

              However, if the topic you have in mind is about minor and micro changes in media (especially films and YouTube) — what we’re noticing, not conspiracy-type theories — I’ll happily create an article for those conversations. I’d keep the focus narrow, with specific references, such as exactly what seems to have changed at a certain (noted) time in the film or video.

              But, if that’s of interest to others (besides me), I’ll create the article on Monday. Or sooner, if I just can’t stay away from this site. LOL

              Update: I spoke with one of my children about this, and she mentioned micro-changes made when programming goes to Netflix, as well. (Her example: The opening of the first American Horror Story episode — twin boys, house, little girl — and, at Netflix, a brief shot was cut from right before the opening titles. It’s an essential shot that hooks viewers; I can think of no reason to remove it, and many reasons why it must be there.)

              While this isn’t exactly Mandela Effect, if we can keep it contained at one article, I’d be very interested in how much seems to be Mandela Effect, what isn’t, and how this might be affecting how readily we accept changed realities. That dances very close to conspiracy theories that I’d like not to pursue, but if we can document what changes — and (Mike may smile at this) any patterns — that could be a useful adjunct to our regular Mandela Effect conversations.

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              1. ;)—–smiling as I read. Patterns. Still looking for the ultimate one. Although I realize , that may never happen. But, it’s all about the chase to me . Mike H.

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          3. Hi, Mike H.,

            I love Google, but I’ll still chime in here. Google’s heuristics have shown some insanely “intuitive” predicting of late.

            While I read through the various posts here, I often Google one item or another (I can’t simply assume that my memory matches reality anymore). The topics range across everything discussed here, which I’m sure you know jumps from one thing to another totally non-linearly, even within a single entry — yet Google often offers what I’m typing within the first two or three hits, even when I’ve typed in only three or four letters.

            Were I searching common interest items (some latest fad, or big news, for example), this would be entirely reasonable. Were I searching some particular topic, and had been for a while, then I could see Google picking up on my specific search trend of the moment and narrowing things down quite quickly. I don’t recall which surprisingly good predictions its offered me so far, but they’re as unlikely as if I were to search “Joh…” and have it offer me articles about “Johny Mnemonic” or “John Larroquette”.

            I doubt that this is the case in fact, but I’ve been getting the weirdest impression that Google’s responding to M.E.-related searches more quickly and usefully than any other searches I might normally run.

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            1. Ooh, cue the Twilight Zone music! And yes, I’ve been noticing a rapid response to my M.E.-related searches, too. Almost like they were watching what I was looking at, at this site, and anticipating what I’d check, next. (Not that this sounds creepy or anything… LOL)

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    2. Martin, I have been noticing a lot of dialog changes and different camera angels going on as well. As you probably know, I’ve been watching (studying) Voyager. Season 3 Episode 8&9 Futures End I viewed a map of the world with a North Pole, Australia was low and alone… by the time I pushed rewind most of it changed. You can still see hints as it blurry now. Last I looked it still has Russia and Alaska further apart then shown on today’s map. There are other things, too minor as Fiona mentioned.

      High Definition looks very different from what I remember. Granted I dont watch a lot of television but HD reminds me of old soap operas. I know that’s not a great description, but, presently its all I got.

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      1. Yes Anthony, its so strange, 24 hours, even minutes later things change,, even our memories arent that bad.. (i am 42 so a little memory loss is normal). It has become somewhat of an obsession watching and listening to the same things to see if they change..

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    3. I’ve noticed scenes missing from movies, like scenes that were my favorite part of the movie and just don’t seem to exist anymore.

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  3. Okay, am I the only one that remembers Meatloaf dying like 15 or so years ago? I love the movie Formula 51 and I remember thinking, while watching it, I’m so glad he got to at least do this movie before he died. Now I’m hearing radio commercials of him doing a concert, and it’s blowing my mind. I’m not 100% sure that he died, but the memory is strong enough that I was actually shocked when I heard the radio commercial.

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    1. I have a recollection of Meatloaf dying. I wasn’t a follower of his music, except for the one hit, but I do recall him dying probably awhile ago (after you mentioned it here) …

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  4. I don’t know if this one has been mentioned or not yet – but Oscar Meyer is now Oscar Mayer – like John Mayer the singer 🙂 lol. One friend within the last month sent me a link to the Life cereal commercial with Mikey has changed – he went from “he likes everything” to “he hates everything” after that I sat around and watched some more classic commercials. At that time it was Oscar MEYER. 🙂

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    1. Hi, Stephanie White,

      OMG — I didn’t want to bother mentioning the old Life cereal ad.s because I was sure (even now, after having been on this site for a month) that it had been just me not quite hearing the actors’ words terribly well. I’d swear (not just then, but to this day as well) that they had said in the ’70’s “He eats anything”, which had made no sense to me (since it provides them no surprising contrast to Mikey turning out to like Life), but which just didn’t seem to be any other wording.

      It was only in the past year or so that I’d run into “He hates everything”, at which point I immediately assumed that that must have been what they’d said back in the ’70’s as well — especially since that cleared up my long-standing irked confusion over their wording of back then. This was also the lion’s share of my not having posted about it myself.

      I admit that strictly your post doesn’t mean that I hadn’t misheard them poorly in my childhood, but even if it’s simply that, or a re-wording later in the ad campaign, it’s still a soothing relief to see that I’m not the only one to have heard that (or rather, something similar, since your wording was somewhat different from mine: “He likes everything” vs. “He eats anything”).

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      1. Stephanie White and Closeted team-E, this is fascinating. I mean, it would make far more sense if people mis-remembered lines from commercials (lyrics, etc.) in ways that made more sense than the originals did. (And, yes, in the 70s, it was “He hates everything.” I don’t recall hearing anything different, ever, in the realities I’ve been in.)

        So, when I see people agreeing on alternate memories that would be difficult to acquire, I’m very interested.

        I think that when most people hear something that doesn’t make sense or fit the context, they go back and say, “Wait, what did he/she/that say…?” And, they get the line clarified. (Before the luxury of the Internet and YouTube, this usually involved pausing all conversation the moment the related commercial was on the TV or radio, again.)

        The old Life cereal commercial wouldn’t make any sense if Mikey didn’t hate everything. No one would gasp in awe when he actually liked Life cereal.

        So, while I can see an erroneous memory standing out as “that never made sense,” the popularity of the Life commercial makes it seem — to me, anyway — an unlikely “mistake” to make. Not impossible, and I suppose the likelihood varies with how many times the person was exposed to the commercial, and how young the person was at the time, or how much attention was paid to commercials.

        Still, seeing more than one person with this alternate memory makes me note it something of increasing credibility. And, as something very odd.

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      2. Closeted team-E,

        I remember it as “he eats anything” in the 70s as well. I remember one boy saying “Give it to Mikey” and another saying “Yeah, he eats anything.” I read about the “he hates everything” version, but I could never make that work with the rest of the conversation that I recalled.

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  5. Hello everyone. That you all for your great contributions. Incredibly interesting discussion!

    I wanted to add another memory to the list that I hadn’t seen listed. In 1987, I was in 8th grade and I distinctly remember Jon Bon Jovi in an interview on MTV saying that he liked both men and women. I remember it so clearly because I watched MTV’s top 10 videos every night and one of his videos was #1 at the time. The day after his announcement, it wasn’t even in the top 10. I remembering thinking how ridiculous it was that his sexual preference mattered. I also remember commenting to people a few years later, when he did the soundtrack for Young Guns, about how no one cared anymore about the interview. I also have many other memories of conversations about this in high school, years later.

    I was excited to ask people at my 20 year high school reunion about this in 2012. No one remembered! Not even the people I had conversations with about it so many years earlier. I just found out three weeks ago that my mother remembers it happening as well. She was so happy that I remembered, because she thought she was going crazy. My father and brother don’t remember this happening. Does anyone else remember this?

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  6. Hey, I’m a scientist and feel I should chime in here (By the way, sorry if this is posted twice, I find this website a little confusing!)

    A lot of you are trying to explain away the thoughts you have, but something you’re all not taking into account is coming from the assumption that we ARE in merging universes.

    Assuming this were so, lets take for example the discussion about the memory of the hot air balloon: One of your “alternate yous” in one of the several universes could have had this balloon experiment conducted on them, maybe even knowingly. But when their memory merged with your’s it only left the faint idea of a balloon ride. If this experiment was conducted in several universes on different people, then statistically a lot of those will overlap. In one universe it may even be that the experiment was very widely conducted (not this timeline, obviously.)

    You are potentially picking up the memory of an alternate “you.” Or at least that’s one explaination you all seem to be overlooking 🙂

    I feel like here is a good a place as any to expand on what I think is happening here. I lot of people are mentioning CERN, that is one possibility. CERN are actually currently conducting experiments to create new “universes” which propogate in their own space-time, or at least to form tunnels into other universes. Just so you know they recently ramped up the power of CERN, they turned it off in March 2013 for maintenance and to increase the acceleration power of CERN to twice what it was before, it reopened in 5 April 2015 and has been breaking power records ever since.

    I don’t want to go into too much detail as you can just read on Wikipedia or whatever, here’s the relevent section though (The reference to “TeV” is basically just a measurement of power, much like Watts (W) when talking about lightbulbs):

    “At 1200 BST on 30 March 2010 the LHC successfully smashed two proton particle beams travelling with 3.5 TeV (trillion electron volts) of energy, resulting in a 7 TeV event. However, this was just the start what was needed for the expected discovery of the Higgs boson. When the 7 TeV experimental period ended, the LHC revved to 8 TeV (4 TeV acceleration in both directions) during March 2012, and soon began particle collisions at that rate. In early 2013 the LHC was deactivated for a two-year maintenance period, to strengthen the huge magnets inside the accelerator. Eventually it will attempt to create 14 TeV events.”

    Just a quick pointer: CERN is currently running at 13 TeV and has been since May 2015. Now, for two objects as tiny as a proton this is a tremendous amount of power, like two jumbo-jets colliding head-on at 500mph, and this happens around 1 billion times a second. I also really want to point out that what CERN is doing is something that happens ALL over the universe naturally, inside stars, collision of cosmic rays with our atmosphere, all over the place. If CERN is accelerating the process in anyway it’s most likely a drop in the ocean. But, of course, I don’t actually know this (no-one does) it might be only CERN that’s causing this, but to be honest if we don’t find out then we’re never going to know the truth, and the only way to do that is to experiment…

    Anyway, what does all this boring science have to do with anything? Well, in the scientific community the concept of parallel universes is pretty well accepted, and a lot of important theories actually hinge on it. For example: we have NO idea where gravity comes from. The current most plausible theory is that it’s a force that’s “leaking” from another universe. One of the main aims for the LHC is to actually connect to another universe by making a black hole inside the reactor so they can try and prove this theory (they will see gravity moving out of our universe into another). They have been actively trying to do this since October 2015. So far they have not been able to make one, but that doesn’t mean that the experiments are not having an effect on the universe.

    (I really hope this science isn’t boring to read! Please feel free to skim over!)

    Ok, so there is another important theory: “false vacuum universe” which holds that this entire multi-universe is inside a temporary “bubble” (much like the bubble formed in say, a pot of boiling water). This bubble could expand/shrink/collapse at any time, literally it could just “pop” and we would all cease to exist (fun to think about huh?)

    Anyway, what could be happening according to (and I want to stress these are) MY thoughts are as follows:

    The multi-verse is all contained in this bubble, like when you see lots of little bubbles inside a big one? (There are countless trillions of these things…) And occasionally one of these bubbles will merge with another. Now what I think happens is events go into a quantum state where only one of them can occur (remember Schrödinger’s cat? It’s both dead AND alive until one event is chosen.) So what happens is one of these events are picked, lets say there is a universe with “berenstein” and one with “berenstain”. The important thing to remember here is before merging BOTH are correct in each universe, but when the 2 universes become 1, ONLY one “quantum state” can be picked. In this universe it was “berenstain.” WE also merged with our “other” selves, and the same thing happened in our brains, but either because they are so complex, or perhaps there is some kind of “spirit” some of us remember BOTH as our memories merged! Some of us will only remember a memory from universe “a” OR universe “e”, perhaps we have stronger memories of a perticular letter in one universe or perhaps we don’t exist there (never born or we died perhaps.)

    Anyway, imagine this happening over and over and over again, we could be in a universe that’s a merger of millions of universes by now. So far with just small changes, like “tunes and “toons”, “fruit or froot”, “definitly” or “definatly” and EACH time a merger occurs ONLY one of those states can exist. That’s literally a quantum principle. That’s why there is no physical evidence left of the other state each time, because it’s completely destroyed in the process, as if it NEVER happened. The only thing left is echos of memories we’re not quite sure about. I also believe the universes are very similar to ours because they would likely be nearby eachother. By the way, if we merge with a universe where it was named “toons” there is a chance it could switch back (if it wins the quantum coin toss) and apart from vague memories some of us might have, no-one would even notice. People will argue with you till they are blue in the face that it was spelt “tunes” and they will be labeled as the crazy ones!

    But… and here is the big but… If we assume the multiverse is shrinking, it’s pushing all the universes together, and as each merger happens there will be more “difference” between each next merger. We are starting to see things already like shifting countries: New Zealand was once above Australia AND below it in two universes, but now it’s ONLY below. The decision to build a bridge to Staten island or not was decided yes AND no, in two different universes, they merged and now it’s only “yes.” People who have died or not (remember, that’s likely what happened so some of your other “yous” as well, that’s why we can’t remember everything: in some universes you died, but when you merged you got the lucky “quantum bullet” and the event that won the coin toss was the one you were alive in…!) I’m sorry Angela but your Grandad’s Kellogg’s image has disappeared in a puff of quantum smoke, only the memory is left, so hang onto that… Your only hope is that we merge with a universe which still has your Grandad’s Kellogg design in it and it wins the quantum coin toss.

    Now, these changes are only going to get faster and more intense as more universes merge, and more and more people are going to start noticing. It’s a process that is likely to accelerate, once something like a bubble starts to collapse there’s nothing that can slow it. We literally can’t do anything about this, except count our blessings, and hope that when we merge with the universe where Hitler won, that the coin toss favours the Allies…

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    1. Excellent comment, Fleecemaster. Thank you for taking the time to post it. I’m sure it took considerable time and thought.

      And, as an aside: for years, I’ve been speculating about gravity and what’s “leaking” in and out of our reality. I did a quick check at one of my other sites, and — in 2007 — I’d proposed that EMF spikes aren’t necessarily ghosts. In that short article, I’d mentioned the gravity issue.

      Also, I’d replied to one of your later comments before realizing you’re a scientist. That helps me (and, I’m sure, others) put your choice of words into a better context. Thank you.

      This comment did show up twice, once at the newest Comments page and once at Comments page 10. I’ve approved this one and let the other go. This site can be very confusing, as it was designed (and was very tidy, back then) for conversations about a single alternate memory, and possible theories. In the past year or so, I’ve been trying to keep it better organized, but it’s like the dilemma (or dilemna) of Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner: I’m never truly one step ahead. LOL

      My next project will be a redesign of the Possible Explanations page and comments. And, once it’s (massively) updated, I may move this comment to that topic. I’d started with the idea that the conversations would be fairly basic and not of much interest to readers. I was just a teensy bit wrong. (Yes, that’s sarcasm. I completely underestimated some of my readers.)

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      1. Yeah, to be honest it’s no surprise people didn’t realise the scope of this. For decades I’m sure people have just kept brushing off the thoughts as “Well, that doesn’t seem right, but I must have just remembered it wrong.”

        If you would like me to expand on anything from a scientific point of view then let me know, my field is actually in Chemistry, but there is a lot of overlap between Chemistry and Physics, and I know a lot of people that go to CERN to conduct experiments (we use the radiation from the LHC to analyse chemicals, since it produces the most intense radiation beams in the world. Keep in mind there are something like 30,000 colliders in operation around the world, used by many areas of science, but these are 1000s of times less powerful.)

        What I find most interesting is the dates of these memories… A lot of people seem to be around my age (born in the 80s) or they have memories of changes around that time. This would suggest there were a lot of shifts around the 90s, one would presume yes? Well, the first accelerator to go over 1TeV collosion energy was in 1983 (the Tevatron at Fermilab.)

        Energies have been increasing slow and steady since then, until a jump in 2010 when the LHC was opened at CERN, running at a massive 7 TeV. “Almost 4 times more than the previous world record for a collider.” This ran until 2013 when it was shut down for planned upgrades. It reopened this year in April 2015 for test runs, reaching 13TeV (the current world record) by May 2015 and has been running continuously since June 2015 at this speed. I just want to add here that these accelerators run non-stop, that’s 1 billion collision per second, every second, 24/7 for year upon year. The LHC will be upgraded again (planned for 2022) and the Chinese are planning to build a collider to be complete by 2035 which will be a “super collider” reaching energies of 70TeV and up (it will be twice the size of the LHC).

        The reason I wanted to point these out is because if it *is* being caused by colliders, then it would be interesting to match up when large numbers of people have their “time slide” and if it matches up with these numbers.

        I have noticed a lot more people talking about Mandelas happening in the last few months, which is when the LHC started running at it’s new higher energy. This could simply be because of the recent Buzzfeed article or all manner of things, but I would plead with you Fiona to get as much information from people about the times that these memories are from, and when they noticed the change (the slide would be between these times presumably), so it’s possible to match up and prove to some extent if these occurrences are related to the colliders (preferably before the Chinese build there’s…!)

        Just a small additional note (honestly I can’t help it I love science and could talk about it all day!)
        If the false vacuum theory is correct (they are currently testing for this, so we should know soon) and we are merging with other universes (and the timeline of those universes) then the merge will occur from the point of origin (that’s where the “pin” pops the bubble from) and this merge will move through the universe from that point at the speed of light, merging the timeline as it goes. The theory is that usually when this happens it could be billions of light years away from us so we wouldn’t see the change for a long time. But… If the LHC is causing a large number of mergers, then the point of origin would be on the earth itself! So with the merge happening at the speed of light, the two earths would be merged in less than a second (light takes just over 1 second to reach the moon from earth!) The point I’m making is that from our perspective the change would happen pretty much instantly (which is what it seems most people observe). Of course I want to point out that whilst a lot of what I’ve written is from scientific evidence, many of the conclusions are my own, and may not be proven either way for a while, please don’t take everything I’ve written as fact! Go and look it up yourself too, it’s always good to have multiple sources!

        Another tiny additional note…!
        I feel like I should crunch some numbers for you guys, I hear a lot of times “this occurs naturally all the time from cosmic rays so it’s nothing to worry about!”
        Hmm, well… does it?
        Lets take a look shall we? We wouldn’t want to get our facts wrong now would we? I’m going to try and simplify the numbers as best I can whilst still keeping their accuracy (so I’m going to write everything in TeV, as it’s a number you can relate to my above post.) If you want more info and depth there is plenty out there 🙂
        The highest ever recorded cosmic ray was 300,000,000TeV (300 million TeV)
        This is very very high, yes, but it’s not taking into account the high mass of the cosmic ray, and mass is very important! A mosquito travels at 1TeV when in flight, and I can’t see a collision with that doing much more than a small bite…
        So, if we want to compare it to a proton (as used in a collider) it would be equivalent to: 750TeV.
        This is still way higher than the current running speed of 13TeV, but I want to point out two things: A particle at this energy has only ever been seen about 16 times, whilst the LHC makes 1 billion collisions per second. Also the speeds of acceletators are constantly being improved, and with new supercolliders being built in the next few decades this number is very likely to be reached and potentially surpassed.
        There are naturally occuring particles called “neutrinos” that have higher evergy than these, but they almost never interact with other matter (no collisions).
        Cosmic rays with energies above 125TeV are still very rare, within a 3 year period whilst trying to detect them only 27 were found.
        Most cosmic rays lie between 0.00001TeV and 0.01 TeV (the same as an average collider, and that’s without taking into account the mass difference.) There are millions of particles at this energy hitting the earth every second.
        If you take into account collisions across the whole universe however then there are a lot, but if an event occurs billions of light years away it would take billions of years for the “reality shock wave” to reach us, of course… Also that’s not to say that this hasn’t been occuring naturally for billions of years already… The real question is, if this is causing universes to merge, are particle colliders accelerating this change?

        For further reading check out the “fermi-paradox.” It’s an observation about the apparent lack of alien civilisations, even though the likely-hood is that there should be multiple millions even just in our own galaxy. One theory is that all intelligent species at some point develop a technology that unwittingly destroys the whole species. In the past, people thought it might be nuclear weaponry, what if perhaps it’s actually particle accelerators?

        Food for thought indeed! 🙂

        If this forum allows links to photos, here’s how to imagine our multi-verse, each bubble is a universe, and the walls between each break and merge they become an amalgamation:

        Anyway, thanks very much for creating this website Fiona! Hopefully as a species we will get to the bottom of this! Honestly I hope it’s just some strange phenomenom of memory that just hasn’t been brought into the light before, rather than the multi-verse collapsing… but either way that it is great progress to have this out in the open to talk about 🙂

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        1. Once again, these are absolutely brilliant insights, Fleecemaster. Thank you! And I agree — whether it’s emerging memories or merging/collapsing realities — it’s an adventure and we’re here to experience it. Scary, maybe… but fascinating.

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          1. Fiona,
            Kathy’s Norway spiral date is of great interest too me. That is the exact time frame for me that these ME’s started really becoming frequent and obvious. I have said a lot of time’s on here, I have noticed for 30 years , but since late Fall of 2009 is when it just snowballed. I knew about the spiral , but never put the two together.

            Fleecemaster , is there anything about that date ??? Anything you could share , I mean ? I’m all ears on this one. Mike H.

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            1. Hey Mike,

              I thought I was replying to your question but I actually replied to Kathy below, who basically asked the same question, so have a read of that! 🙂

              In short though: The LHC turned on in 20th November 2009, and the first runs of +1TeV where from the 30th November onwards.

              I do however feel that the Norway spiral, even though it occured at a similar time on the 9th Dec 2009 was simply a failing Russian missile and the proximity of the dates was just a coincidence.

              The dates are interesting though, especially seeing all the very recent reports and also so many from the 80s, I might have to do some proper date checking…

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        2. Fleecemaster,

          Your posts are very interesting.. I especially find your knowledge of CERN fascinating .. I know this is old news, but do you believe there is a possible connection between the Norway spiral and CERN? .. Many people are theorizing that it might be a portal into another dimension or some evidence of time travel being conducted by CERN on the date 12/9/2009.

          I found this web site about the spiral with some great photos and theories about what it might have been.

          http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/news/cosmic_news/norway_spiral_and_ancient_petroglyphs.htm

          I never did buy the official version of it being a Russian rocket gone astray… If that were true spirals like this one would be a much more common occurrence.

          I would really appreciate your thoughts on this.

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          1. Well I’m afraid you’re not going to like my answer!

            I remember when this happened, and I looked into it a lot at the time because it was such an interesting occurrence! Unfortunatly I’m very certain that it was just a malfunctioning Russian Bulava missile.

            The reason it’s not a common occurrence is because first of all, missiles aren’t actually fired that often. Usually only during testing (as this was) and this particular missile was malfuctioning often. The second is that the missile has to fail in a very specific way to create that effect, so the chances of it occuring are actually very rare indeed. And obviously it also looked spectacular so it captured the imagination 🙂

            The website you linked mostly just posts cave paintings of spirals, well, the spiral is a pretty common shape, it reminds me of those who look for triangles everywhere, we can see things in everything if we look hard enough 😉

            There’s a lot of stuff on that site about hearing strange sounds. Without looking properly I wonder if that would be of interest to Fiona and her tinnitus investigations.

            Here is a 1 minute video showing a computer simulation of how the spiral could have been created:

            Also here’s a picture of a trident missile failing in a similar way:

            The Bulava missile happened to fail at a much higher altitude.

            Also it is very unlikely that time travel is possible. The LHC happened to turn on for testing on 20th November 2009. Which is obviously nearby in time but I believe this was just a coincidence. If the time-shifts are related to the LHC then at least the Norway spiral is a nice way to pin-point the time in people’s minds 🙂 Also the Norway spiral has only occured in this fashion once, so wouldn’t be able to explain why there seems to be several periods of time-shifts, and also why we wouldn’t have seen more of them, especially now the LHC is running as full power.

            I’m trying to keep as scientific as possible, I’m not dismissing that it might be a time vortex, but the evidence suggests it was just a missile failure. A wormhole/portal thing likely wouldn’t look like that anyway, and if that was the LHC that caused it then they would certainly be trying to do it again!

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            1. Fleecemaster, I’m going to play a little Devil’s Advocate here, and I hope you’re not offended. (And, in some areas of science, I know just enough to be dangerous. LOL)

              Of course, I agree about correlation – coincidence – cause issues. And, a single event — the Norway spiral — provides too little data to work with conclusively, regardless.

              Also, I agree about spirals in ancient artwork, up to a point. In many cultures, spirals seemed to suggest the passage of time, or the Sun, or the passage of time as marked by days (suns).

              And then there are the issues of sacred geometry, which relate to the Fibonacci sequence, and so on. (Ref: http://fractalenlightenment.com/15458/fractals/understanding-the-fibonacci-sequence-and-golden-ratio )

              So, for me, the Norway spiral photos are fascinating, but have so many “normal” explanations, I’m not ready to leap on the Norway spiral as anything more than a pretty image. (I’m willing to be very wrong about that, if later/additional evidence makes alternate explanations more plausible.)

              However, assuming time isn’t real but more of a filing system we reference in relation to events, I see no reason why time travel isn’t possible. Assuming the reports that I read were real — and I have no reason to think otherwise — if we’re talking about space-time, that barrier has already been compromised. I realize that teleportation isn’t the same thing as returning to history to see the pyramids being built in Egypt, but I think it’s in the same very general ballpark.

              I’m interested in whether you think the Mandela Effect involves parallel realities running on the same schedule/time track, or if it’s possible that some are ahead of us or behind us… if that’s even relevant if events happened in different sequences, in different realities. For example, if the Americas weren’t explored by Europeans for another 100 or 200 years, and research was about sea exploration, instead. In that reality, we might have had a “Wild West,” but no history with Jamestown, Plimoth Plantation, and even no American Revolution.

              Or, the American Revolution might have occurred far later, and triggered a much later French Revolution, and so on.

              Finally, the question of what a wormhole/portal would look like… that interests me. Aside from the black void image we see in sci-fi presentations, what might a wormhole/portal look like? And, is a wormhole (or portal?) different from “down the rabbit hole” and different from cross-reality transfer/access points?

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              1. Fiona, Much of science and meta-science contain postulates that are simply stop gap arrangements.Arrow of time is agnostic with fundamental laws of physics,and that is because time is such a postulate,a stop gap arrangement.Carroll suggested a way to manage this virtual entity called time,if you beat time it will hang you,but if you are friendly with time,the time will cooperate to any extent,you can remain at current date for as long as you like,and if you are a real pal time can take you back to whatever period you tell it.This is what zeno effect is about and time travel as well.

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        3. Fleecemaster,
          Thank you for providing such amazing insights in your recent posts. It is both encouraging and enlightening to hear theories on this phenomenon from a scientist’s perspective. I agree with much of what you propose is happening, and especially find the points about
          CERN to be very eye-opening. I have always felt since discovering this topic that their tampering with the universe and reality is highly connected to what many of us are experiencing with ME. I’m also intrigued by the dates when major tests were done and how this coincides with shifts or major ME events.

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          1. Thank you! I’m just glad people read and enjoyed them! I was worried it would be too sciencey and boring for most people. I’m used to writing scientific reports, but this is very interesting, and I felt that a good strong description of what’s going on with the LHC and our current understanding of the universe would help put things into perspective for everyone 🙂

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            1. Fleecemaster, don’t worry. Most of the “regulars” at this site are eager for scientific insights.

              Personally, I’m fascinated by the “how” of this, since I believe that can point to the when/where/why, and so on. But, then again, I’m a science geek in many ways, and Doc Edgerton is still among my heroes.

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            2. Fleecemaster,
              I don’t find your posts to by too sciency or boring at all.
              I am interested in your thoughts on the recent ‘fata morgana’ phenomenon. Three of them occurred the same week that CERN starting running at the higher power levels. Some readers here feel that the recent images look different than other ‘fata morgana’ pictures out there. Was CERN successful in opening a window to another dimension? I’m curious what the scientific community is saying about this, outside of the media.

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        4. To add some cosmic balance to your scientific conclusions the channel Bashar had been talking about the splitting of worlds since the 80’s as well as other channels. Thier basic premise is that the years from the 80’s up until now represent the Nano Second, a window of time where you will be able to shift earth’s, after 2019 this window closes and your pretty much stuck on the earth you vibrate with. And the are literally an infinite amount of other parallel earth’s. By Bashars message is that its not CERN or the government it is you through titt conscious

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          1. I’m not quite sure what you meant by “titt conscious”, but having a look at Bashar it seems to be related to a “mind over matter” situation.

            I’m not ever going to dismiss anything like that, as there often isn’t a way to disprove it, but I tend to stick within scientific means because it’s a way to “ground” observations to evidence that can be studied.

            The really interesting thing about the scientific method for me is that anything unfalsifiable cannot be tested by the scientific method, and therefore cannot be said to be true or not, at least by this method, such as “Is there a God?” I think as we approach more barriers in science we may well find more and more things which are untestable by science. Then things will get really interesting 🙂

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    2. This is a great post. It’s interesting that you mentioned a universe where Hitler won since there’s a show coming out about that, I don’t know if that was intentional but if you don’t know about it the show is called The Man in the High Castle. It’s quite a coincidence that a show about an alternate reality is coming out right when large numbers of people are starting to notice changes (I know it was a book before, but I still think it’s significant that it’s coming out as a show right now). Another coincidence on tv is the show The Flash, which began with the explosion of a LHC type facility, featuring time travel and portals to other universes as the main topics of pretty much all of its episodes this year. Oh, and the time travel created an alternate reality. I’m not sure, but I think TV shows can be an indicator of what’s going on in reality, there are just way too many coincidences.

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      1. I have heard of “The Man in the High Castle” but I haven’t read the book, sounded interesting though 🙂 I tend to play a lot of war-games based on alternate histories “Axis&Allies” for example, and also WW2 is close to my heart, which is most likely why I picked it, just to show the potential major consequences, assuming of course this is what’s happening.

        When you talk about alternate timelines “Back to the Future” comes to mind. I would be careful though, people have been writing about time travel way before even the first plane was made.
        An example from 1895: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

        There are lots of things we can attribute to literature, because generally most things have already been imagined. Nothing is wrong with that but it’s good to keep science and science fiction within defined boundaries! Coincidences seem to occur often because of the huge number of random variables available, and unfortunatly picking out only a certain few is what’s referred to as the “cherry picking fallacy” and is something we always have to watch out for.

        I’m not trying to be rude here by the way, I’m just assuming you’re genuinely interested, if so I would highly recommend this 15min video, he explains it very well from a scientific viewpoint! 🙂

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        1. Since you mentioned Back To The Future I would like to get your take on this video about the movie. Is it just a random set of coincidences? Thanks.

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          1. I would say this was a mixture of coincidence and “Hindsight bias.” A lot of things like this are made for their entertainment value, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but I would be careful not to read too much into them 🙂

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            1. Science is supposed to be based on testing, but unfortunately it’s actually based on theories, you talked about gravity earlier. The whole heliocentric model is based on gravity. Nobody can tell what gravity is because it’s not real. Trying to prove a model of the universe based on something that doesn’t exist sounds to me a waste of time and efforts.
              You seem to be a nice person, but as a scientist you are just unable to prove gravity like anybody else. Unless you are open minded enough to try to explain the universe in a complete different model. I don’t know if you have ever heard about the concave earth model, but i recommend anybody to research it.
              To me the mandela effect is a manifestation of our consciousness shifting, by quantum leaps, through an infinite planes of existence. Our consciouness being our experience in a single plane. All the datas from everybody’s consciousness in all the planes being stored in the akashic records. For some reason some people’s memories are out of sync with the akashic records in their current plane of existence. Like anybody here i’d like to know the how and why.
              Sorry about my terrible english, my native langage is french.

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              1. marc, your English is good enough to convey key concepts, and I appreciate your insights about concave Earth, and so on.

                The gravity-related portion of your reply to Fleecemaster is a little problematic, and — to me — seemed a little insulting, but I’m approving this (and asking Fleecemaster to understand) because I think it’s a language issue, rather than your intention.

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                1. I never meant to insult anybody. I do respect any individual’s beliefs. But we are talking about ME and to me it’s a major step, to realize we are in a created world.
                  The elite is doing anything to brainwash us because they know the truth about our universe.
                  The mainstream science is trying for 500+ years to make humanity believe we are living on a spinning sphere (pear shape recently) revolving at 1000Mph at the equator and at 66600Mph around the sun. Because many people are starting to realize, thanks to the glitches, the so called Mandela effect, that we are living in a simulation. A simulation obviously generated by a creator, then instead of thinking we are insignificant beings on an unsignificant Earth in an infinite universe, people will understand the purpose of our life.
                  I guess scientists would think i’m insulting them, but i am really not. Their knowledge is based on a wrong model of our universe. If they can’t fight their ego to know the truth, i can’t help them. Most of the people here are obviously open minded, so i really hope they understand how important is the Mandela effect. It’s about awakening, the elite is gonna have a hard time to prevent humanity to be free now. They have enslaved us for too long, they got 99% of all ressources while they represent less than 1% of humanity. This is a fact not a theory. I don’t want people to believe me, i want them to research and find out by themselves. The more you research any topic, the more you understand how wrong is the mainstream.
                  The Mandela effect is a very good example, the mainstream will call us crazy. They will mock us, discredit us. Here we can discuss freely about this phenomenon, with no fear to be ridiculed.
                  If what i’m saying helps even a single person, i’ll feel proud. I thank everybody here for sharing their own experience because it helps me to be a better person.
                  And a special big thank you to Fiona, for this site.

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  7. Mystery Science Theater 3000 used to be Mystery Science Theater 2000.

    I don’t know if this subject has been discussed here or not but I just found this being discussed on another ME forum… I know for a fact, as do several of my friends, that when this show first aired it was called MST 2000, not MST 3000… Now there is no record of it ever being MST 2000… The WIKI article about it claims that the show started as just Mystery Science Theater and then became MST 3000 shortly after that, but there is no mention of it ever being MST 2000.

    Does anyone else remember it as being Mystery Science Theater 2000?

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      1. Thanks Fiona .. I didn’t know if that subject had been discussed here already.. I find it very strange that there is no record of it ever being MST 2000… Just one more thing that’s strange on a very long list of strangeness.

        As for slipping in and out of this reality, there are people who believe that Fruit Loops changed to Froot Loops recently, then went back to Fruit Loops for awhile and now has changed back to Froot Loops again.

        Wouldn’t it be awesome if the reality so many of us remember came back again? … I doubt that will happen though.

        A lot of changes in our geography has been discussed here but the strangest one for me is Cuba being twice the size it used to be… Same for Alaska … Not only did the shape of the West coast of Alaska change but it’s much larger than it used to be.

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        1. Kathy – It was absolutely MST2000. I’m in Minneapolis and was a big Joel Hodgson fan back in the day. Before MST2000 we used to go see his comedy (with props) show regularly. I was pretty disappointed when he stopped doing stand-up, but MST2000 was a fun way to still see him. I don’t really remember when it switched to 3000, but I have a vague recollection it was when Joel left the show.

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        2. What, specifically, changed with Alaska? My family is from Kotzebue & I’ve spent a significant portion of my life here; to me, the norther portion, around Point Hope & the area north of Nome look odd.

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    1. Yes! The theme song says “In the not too distant future” which made sense, watching it in the 90s. When it switched to 3000, it didn’t make sense anymore. The year 3000 is really distant!

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  8. In Disney’s 101 Dalmatians and the books, I remember Cruella’s name spelled as either “Deville” or “DeVille.” When you start a Google search, autocomplete comes up with “Deville” but Disney websites and Wikipedia show the name spelled as “De Vil,” which simply looks wrong to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruella_de_Vil
    http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Cruella_De_Vil
    http://www.disneyvillains.net/Cruella.php

    Amazon and EBay have numerous items spelled as “Deville,” or “DeVille,” and there are large sections in Pinterest, Photobucket and Tumblr under “Cruella DeVille”:
    http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A7141123011%2Ck%3Acruella%20deville
    http://www.ebay.com/bhp/cruella-deville-costume?rmvSB=true

    http://photobucket.com/images/cruella%20deville
    https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/cruella-deville

    There is a “Cruella DeVille” fanclub (whose members one would assume would know how to spell the name): https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cruella-DeVille-Fan-Club/247055217698

    The following are Google Trends search results for both “Cruella Deville” and “Cruella De Vil”, both of which are spiking in mid to late 2015:
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Cruella%20Deville
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Cruella%20De%20Vil

    So this may be another example of either a mass misunderstanding of how the name is propoerly spelled or perhaps something else.

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  9. I was told once by a close friend and read elsewhere several years back that time was “reset” in 1966 to avoid a planetary catastrophe and then again in the early 1970’s. I can believe it, but for me personally, I feel like what we are experiencing is what has been happening all along. Due to what is considered the Ascension of pretty much all in existence, many of us are noticing things that we missed before because of being in a lower frequency(if the term resonates). In other words, what was known by Shaman, Oracles, etc for thousands of years before the onset of organized religion(not trying to offend anyone); and that is that existence is NOT linear but multidimensional, is now re emerging and being realized once again. This is why some are now saying that they have been noticing these changes long before 9/11.

    For me personally, I feel like 9/11 was a “marker” event so to speak, to get our attention and wake many of us back up. Most people paid attention to very little attention to anything outside the realm of accepted thought prior to that time. In fact the years following 9/11 is when many more people began to do investigative research and come into spiritual consciousness. And now we have science beginning to validate some of the “mythologies” of Indigenous Peoples through findings in archaeology and anthropology, etc. and on top of that we have so much more being revealed about our Solar System, Earth, and The Cosmos in general at a much more accelerated rate.

    A note about Australia and SE Asia
    It seems like to me the changes in SE Asia weren’t noticed until AFTER the Tsunami and EQ in 2004. So many events of the natural disaster proportion have taken place in that area over the past 11-12 years or so. Including the Japan 2011 Tsunami, and the 2011 Chile EQ can be included as well, since Chile is on the Pacific side and South America has changed position since then. I feel like these natural disasters, planetary shifts, TL changes are all one and part of the same thing and they all coincide. The changes in the Caribbean for me did not occur or begin to occur until after the 2010 Haiti EQ. And The Verrazano Bridge did not pop up until after Hurricane Sandy in 2012. A close friend of mine and I both have been saying for sometime that major natural disasters are causing or are part of the planetary shifts. Perhaps they act as initiators/doorway openers, aside from what CERN is doing.

    Interesting enough the TV show LOST took place in Australia and on an island in the Pacific that shifted in and out of this dimension/TL. It also began it’s run in September 2004, 3 months prior to the EQ and Tsunami in SE Asia, and now in real life the bulk of geographical changes are in this same area. Totally not a coincidence. I have always been told major portals are in that area, and it has been the setting for many “unexplained” phenomena over the years. Maybe a thread could be started about pinpointing the time between natural disasters(especially major ones) and when geographical changes are noticed. It seems so far like said natural disaster will occur in a specific area and the geographical changes(and other changes) are gradually noticed in the years following. I believe that “natural disasters” are quantum events that are shifting the planet and us.

    Also note that 2011 was a gateway year

    More changes I’ve noticed:
    There is now a territory in NW Africa called Western Sahara, that I remember as all being Mauritania. Apparently there has been a dispute about the territory between Morocco and the Ethnic Sahwari population. There has even been a war. I had never heard any of this prior to yesterday and apparently Western Sahara was designated in 1975 and the conflict ongoing.

    The country in West Africa that was Gambia is now called The Gambia.
    Angola was in Central Africa, but is now on the West African Coast.
    The Laccadive Sea just came into existence.
    Carmen San Diego had a yellow hat and trench coat.

    We are truly in a time of infinite possibilities. Keep up the great work Fiona.

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    1. Tee ,
      Very good post! I had a question , the 1966 reset , was there a month or date associated with that? I’m just curious , I’m always looking for more numbers to crunch. Patterns. Mike H.

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      1. Greetings Mike H:

        Thanks. I cannot give an exact date during 1966, However I’m vaguely recalling October for the the time frame. I read this on a forum that I used to frequent several years back.

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    2. That LOST tv show… I almost forgot about it. Didn’t it talk about portals and time travels and such? I remember something about a number sequence that was proeminent in season one before they changed the script to make the serie last longer.
      A number sequence… marking in time… a universe code?
      Maybe rewatching the series is worth a shot…

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      1. Greetings Helene:

        Yes there was a number sequence throughout the series and many concepts contained in Eastern Spirituality were written into the show as well. There were so many what I call ‘jewels’ in Lost. It is definately worth the watch. One of the most potent observations for me is how the Malaysian Airlines flight MH-370 when missing pretty much close to the same area as the plane in Lost and 10 years after the show began. Some folks may just write it off as coincidence. I personally do not believe in coincidences. A lot of what we call ‘fiction’ is actually a reflection of ‘reality’ or another example of microcosm/ macrocosm.

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    3. Hubby said that Carmen Sandiego originally started as a computer game- and one of them had a yellow and a red coat.

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    4. Hi, Tee,

      I’d missed this new Western Sahara thing, but you’re right: that’s new to me, as well — as is this definite article “The” now being attached to Gambia, and Angola’s old location. The Laccadive Sea looked new to me when I was researching Sri Lanka, but I’m not 100% on the area; it’s interesting to see someone else mention it at all (makes me think that I might not have been wrong in wondering about it).

      I just commented on Carmen Sandiego (yellow trench) about six hours ago, so seeing it here just now was a moment of pleasantly surprising coincidence (at least, I’ll assume that that’s all that this was…).

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  10. So I’ve kind of found a local “marker” (or two) for me to tell whether I’ve experienced a slip. I’ve noticed that the advertisements on the bus stop near my house change randomly. I know that advertisements do get changed, but these changes happen very irregularly. One of the changes happened in the middle of a rainstorm at night. It didn’t change after that for about a month, and then it changed about a week ago. I know this probably doesn’t sound like anything out of the ordinary, but I found it really strange that the first change happened during a rainstorm at night. The second one seemed pretty normal to me since it had been a clear week, but then two days ago I saw it had changed again, less than a week after that second change. I found it weird that it had been a month between the first two changes, then not even a week between the next ones. The second thing that has become kind of a marker for me is the carpet in the hallway of my building. It’s made up of carpet tiles which keep switching from laying flat to looking like they’re peeling up. I’m sure this could have something to do with humidity but I also noticed that there are stains (how ironic) on the carpet that move around in the hallway. There are usually two big ones and they’ll change from one being right in front of my door to being closer to the next door over or the one across the hall, and the other one moving closer to or farther from the end of the hall. To top it off I came on here today and found that Oscar Meyer had changed from what I remembered. Sorry if this post is dragging on, I just wanted to share my experience and say that it could be helpful for people to find something close to home to help tell if they’ve experienced a slip.

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  11. Hey, Fiona! This isn’t a memory at all, but rather a question. What does everybody on here think about what could be happening in the ‘other’ universe? If this theory is correct and there at least two universes (A and E) [although I personally believe in the multiverse theory], what do you guys think is happening in the other universe(s)? Are we just gone from that universe, or are we there but somehow changed?

    Just some food for thought!

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    1. Kaleb, I’d be fascinated to know what’s going on with the “other me” in other universes. In fact, if markers were more obvious, I might pause when I see one, and ask about my brother’s career, where I spent my 20s, and so on.

      My leading (but changeable) guess is that each of us is simultaneously in all realities, that time is just a filing system (not a reality), and we’re just now gaining a peek at the filing cabinet.

      However, I hope others will weigh with their opinions, guesses, and theories (supported and from the realm of “what if…?”).

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      1. For me there are Many many other variations, like the Bernstein, Bernstain, BerenStein, BeremnStain and ever other version, even universes where there are no Berenstain bears.

        Its like going down a road, and you have a cross roads ahead of you, you can go on, turn left, turn right, turn backwards, or just stand there.. now all these choices creates different possibilities, but the possibilities can collapse and merge into a single reality. So at some future point if the commonalities of the universes become more of the same then they collapse into one. So if you turn leftin one world, turn right in another and it ends up in the same place. then there is a chance that the two universes you are in merge into a singular one.. and its just chance that lets you remember which universe A or E, are in.. Both universes are real, both universes are equally valid, it would explain the rare dual memories that some have.

        So if all your choices lead to 16 Yes, and 14 no.. then you are more likely to remember the Yes universe when they merge, that becomes a dominant reality If the choices lead to 15/15 then you can have a dual memory. So there is one world where i didnt visit this site, one i did, one i was skeptical, so eventually when the future universes collapse i could be in in where i never visited this site,i could have the memories of me visiting.

        I believe that some people/places are more of a pressure point. where realities can spread out more, or even people who merge realities more. just another 3 am set of thoughts.

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      2. Another way to look at it is the universe started with a singular nature, then over time it started to split into the options, now as space, time goes on the possibilities spread out, like a millions threads, but as the universe gets older the threads start to merge into Skeins then strings, then into ropes all the way to the end singularity, until at the end of time and space there is a single reality, with a single memory, but some of us can sense the other strings.

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      3. Fiona To me Solomon’s wisdom will always be the guiding light,a joyous pessimism,and i can’t imagine any universe where it doesn’t prevail.

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        1. Vivek,

          Thank you for that. I share your sentiment. And what a beautiful way to put it, “a joyous pessimism”; it would seem that this is the balanced perspective of all enlightened beings.

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      4. Kaleb,
        Very interesting topic for discussion! I personally think that there are multiple or even infinite alternate universes. It is compelling to think about what might be going on in these other universes or what the “other me” in another universe might be doing. My theory on this is that our consciousness only inhibits one of our bodies in these alternate universes at a time, and that when we “jump” universes, our consciousness shifts to the physical body in that particular universe. This of course raises even more questions, as to what does a body with a vacated consciousness resemble, it is obviously not an outwardly noticeable change. Kinda makes me wonder how many people we interact with daily are walking around here in this universe while their consciousness is occupying another body in another universe.

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    1. Are you saying this article is false? I can’t see anything incorrect in it, it’s just talking about anti-matter.

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      1. Fleecemaster, I probably should have deleted that comment rather than editing & approving it. I could be wrong — and if I am, Jason Thomas: correct my errors — but I think Jason Thomas is talking about peripheral issues.

        Generally, comments like these are about the context in which the news is reported, such as when whatever-it-is happened, how advance the research is (or isn’t) at this point, and the implied “what this should mean to you” suggestions.

        Jason Thomas, if you were saying the actual report is false, I’d like some references/footnotes that counter it.

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        1. Fiona,

          Feel free to delete the comment. My intent is to help people understand that our mainstream media is bought and paid for. While the article may be accurate according to physics (I have no idea), all the information provided is on a need to know basis. The profligacy of these multiverse, mirror universe, and parallel universe articles is simply not a mistake or coincidence. After all, these theories are not new. My point is simply that by releasing this information, we are being desensitized to what will inevitable be a bent disclosure. However, I gather that Fiona is not interested in these types of discussions and that’s fine. I’m not sure what the Mandela is a product of, only that any disclosure of the multiverse will be jaded by an agenda.

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          1. Jason Thomas,

            “Not interested” isn’t the same thing as “don’t have time or patience to deal with comments that are off-topic and/or better discussed at other websites.”

            Reporters and journalists are biased. Their editors are, as well, and have the pressures of commercial interests and other powerful influences. Those in power have their own biases and agendas… and so on, up the food chain. News is selectively reported, spun, and edited. At times, psychological tactics are involved; that’s part of marketing and PR. I supposed “bought and paid for” is one way of saying it.

            None of that should be surprising to anyone over age 12, and perhaps younger.

            This site is about the Mandela Effect: alternate history that appears to be real, but not in the current reality/universe. A peripheral topic is where our alternate memories come from. That might include aspects of science not widely known (or of interest) to the general public.

            Whether some individuals or groups are actively hiding that data, who they are, and what their motives are… other websites have more resources for those kinds of discussions.

            At MandelaEffect.com, I’m focusing on the science of this, and the personal anecdotes (and resulting patterns we observe) that might point to scientific answers.

            Several Reddit subgroups and at least seven pages of YouTube videos (and comments) — none of which are related to me or this website — may be better suited to the topics you’d like to explore. Sites like AboveTopSecret also cover a broader context than this site does.

            It’s not that I’m wholly uninterested. At times, I’m very intrigued by fringe topics.

            However, I’m trying to maintain this site while keeping my own career on track, and claiming the occasional moment to relax with family and friends. So far, I’ve not been entirely successful; as 2016 approaches, I’m having to make difficult decisions and reprioritize.

            I hope that explains my increasing determination to avoid anything that’s going to take MandelaEffect.com comments off-topic, lead to bickering, present us as a self-help group for people with dissociative disorders, or give skeptical critics more ammunition to label us as “just confused” or even “paranoid.”

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            1. Dear Fiona,

              Concerning the comment of Jason Thomas:

              My intention is not to fan the flames, so to speak, but I can’t help but to point out a fallacy when I see one:

              “None of that should be surprising to anyone over age 12, and perhaps younger.”

              Really? With all due respect, perhaps you’ve been fortunate enough to be in the company of “awakened” individuals long enough to have lost touch with UNreality: all children — and most adults — believe that “news reports” are unbiased and objectively factual reports of reality, the products of a (non-existent) “free press”. Unless my reality has dramtically shifted in the last ten minutes, I’m certain that the way the world actually works is unbeknownst to most and certainly cannot be concieved of as common knowledge.

              Warmest regards,
              Brian S.

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              1. Brian S.,

                You may be right, and I may be right. Chances are — and as with most contrasted opinions — the “truth” (in this reality) may be somewhere in the middle.

                Growing up, I believed all news reports — the ones my parents let me watch, anyway — until I was around 15 years old. It was a different era.

                I believe that most of today’s children — at least those watching TV — have become jaded and cynical by around age 10. Personally, I’d like to believe they will be “the Founders.”

                I might be wrong. Very wrong. (It won’t be the first time. LOL) Though I travel often, the locations I land in — usually 1k+ miles apart but consistent in the types of people I socialize with — may have skewed my views.

                However, the issue you’ve raised is a very good one, and I apologize to anyone and everyone I’ve offended by this comment and others like them.

                Every journalist, reporter, and creative voice has a bias, whether — depending on the attitudes of the audience — it’s called “viewpoint” or “propaganda.” That bias shows up in style and content.

                And, until I began writing for magazines, I hadn’t a clue that many (most?) editors and publishers had deliberate biases, largely geared to attract the largest reader base and acquire the most lucrative advertisers.

                When I mentioned my surprise to others, the response was the consistent, one-for-one: People laughed. They said I must have lived a very sheltered life. And, of course, I had.

                Add a couple of decades of working with editors and publishers, and reporting bias seemed commonplace to me now.

                It may not be that way for others. You are right.

                Again, I apologize for being harsh. I bristle when people seem to paint me with a wide brush that suggests an attitude that’s the polar opposite of what I’ve tried to convey here; that comment was a response to it. (There are days when I’m knee-deep in unpleasant critics making personal jabs, and — though the public don’t see those comments — the snarkiest do take a toll on my sense of humor.)

                Mostly, I want to thank you for helping me reach a decision about where this site is going. Looking at the avalanche of comments claiming that David Bowie’s death was a hoax — and somehow trying to make that a Mandela Effect issue — I was going to close all comments for a few days, anyway.

                But — even before the Bowie issue — I’d been considering a few options. Your comment makes the simplest (and most sensible) direction clearer. Again, thank you.

                Sincerely,
                Fiona

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        2. It’s the same old story of victors writing the history,the matter is called matter simply because it outweighed antimatter.And why call antimatter ‘anti’,why not give some respect to the vanquished and annihilated ? I think the time has come to rename antimatter,reverse-matter or some other easy sounding word.

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  12. Subject: Columbia Crew Didn’t Die + Tinitus, DNA Frequency, and Hyperdimenisonal Physics

    Fiona,

    Your site is FANTASTIC, I’ve been telling people about Mandela since 1992 (and they’ve been calling me crazy), but I NEVER knew of any of the other examples (I first heard Mandela was alive in 1992, it blew me away because I knew he had died in the late 70s or early 80s). 

    I’ve been scraping my brains off the walls (you blew my mind) since I read the potential tinitus connection (my ears have been ringing non-stop for 50 years). 

    I used an audio tone generator to find the frequency of my “ringing” and I narrowed it down to 10280 or 10281 hertz. Then I divided it by the “sacred” hyperdimensional number of 19.47 (see Richard C Hoagland) and I came up with 527.99178. Then I reworked the math backwards using 528 (Hertz) instead of the 527.99xx (see human DNA Frequency) and arrived at 10280.16 (Hertz) and I readjusted my audio generator to this exact frequency and compared it to my [perceived] tinitus frequency using high quality headphones and viola!, an absolutely perfect match with NO heterodyne beat (10280.16 is the exact frequency between 10280 & 10281, which I didn’t find randomly by listening). 

    This almost certainly means that my tinitus is hyperdimensionally related to the human DNA frequency. I don’t feel that this is coincidental because 10280.15 & 10280.17 (and anything else but 10280.16) causes a heterodyning beat to manifest, the further off the number, the faster the beat. What exactly this means, I can’t even begin to understand. Is this also somehow related to me being a recaller of at least 15 of your alternate timeline examples? I don’t know, but my head sure “exploded” upon this realization! 

    Regarding Columbia STS-51, I know FOR SURE my memory of the explosion was winter of 1984 because I built the entire Manitowoc, WI, USA cable TV system in 1983-84 and I spent weeks ensuring that EVERY public and parochial school in town had adequate cable outlets and reception for ALL students to view “the first teacher in space”. By 1985 I had moved on to another cable system so it HAD to have happened in 1984. 

    BTW: Christa McAuliffe is alive and well today and teaching at a university 50 miles away from me in Madison, Wisconsin. Most or all of the the rest crew is alive and well too (explain that!). 
    See: https://youtu.be/z0V0Q4xd7y4  and http://www.disclose.tv/news/are_the_crew_members_of_1986_space_shuttle_challenger_stillalive/117392 
    There was also a recent video of Christa giving a presentation (at UW Madison?) on YouTube that seems to have vaporized in the past few months, you may still be able to find a copy of it (I didn’t look very dilligently for it). 

    Please feel free to edit and post any of this except for my email address. Also, feel free to contact me for any reason you may have, I have put in at least 35,000 hours of research study on all things exopolitical, paranormal, and metaphysical since I had a profound near-death experience in 1986 (I was born in 1959). Your current work will likely cause me to expend another 500 to 1000 hours of research (Thanks for that!). 

    I think you and your followers may be onto something really big with this tinitus connection, especially given the uncanny [hyperdimensional] connection that I personally [seem] to have between tinitus and DNA. Please don’t be too quick to reject this theory that you have stumbled upon. I will continue to “flesh out” this additional hyperdimensional aspect and report any new findings back to you (you can have all of the credit). 

    Upon your request, I will provide you with a detailed explanation of the frequency determining apparatus that I used. Audio signal generators (for all platforms; Android, I-Phone, PC, etc.) are available as free downloads. I am really curious to know if anybody else would find  a similar correlation. After viewing examples of tinitus frequencies at the medical link YOU posted on your site, I noticed that my frequency is quite high. Harmonic multiples would yield the same mathematic outcome, in relationship to DNA (and/or other chakras?), so other may have different frequencies and still find a correlation. I know in my case the ringing is in my brain since I cannot “phase cancel” the sound (if the sound was real, and in my ears, this test would have canceled or attenuated the sound when the phase was shifted).

    Thank you so much for your time and effort, and keep up the GREAT work that you are doing,

    Mike

    P.S.
     I was taught in school that the United States had 50 States + 2 possessions, Puerto Rico and Guam,  were referred to back then as “U.S. Possessions” 

    Exxon (Exxon/Mobile) and Esso was called Enco/Esso, their motto was “put a tiger in your tank” and they used to give away a free “Tiger Tail” with the purchase of a “fill up”. This was simply a tiger-striped stuffed animal toy “tail” that was about 15 inches long with a loop on one end so you could hang it from your mirror or a hook. 

    Regarding Fruit Loops, one of my favorite cerials, I believe there was a legal technicality that arose at some point in the 1970’s and the spelling was changed from Fruit to Froot because the product was not actually made with real fruit. They were forced to change the spelling of the word so as not to be charged with false advertising.  I’m pretty sure that both spellings were used at different points in time. Therefore, this may not be a candidate for the Mandela Effect.

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    1. Mike Nelson, thanks for the comment. (The Contact form seems to work for some, not for others; I have no idea why. Comments are the best way to communicate with me. I’m not able to reply to Contact form/emails, due to the number I receive, daily.)

      I’ve moved your comment to the Major Memories / Comments page 13, where more people will see it. You’ve raised many good points, and you’ll probably be engaged in several related conversations.

      I’m not wholly rejecting the tinnitus-DNA-Mandela Effect connection. My concern was that the conversations were becoming too focused on tinnitus symptoms & cures, and I want to keep the focus on the Mandela Effect aspects of this. The survey suggested a correlation, but I think this topic needs to be addressed slightly differently, to see how the puzzle pieces fit together.

      I’ve searched for Fruit Loops > Froot Loops evidence, and can’t find it. For me, the most telling clue (or missing one) was that “Fruit Loops” wasn’t trademarked. If the name had ever been planned for commercial production, even if attorneys vetoed it early, I’m sure the company would have purchased the trademark to protect the name. So, my guess is urban legend or Mandela Effect. Or an urban legend that developed to explain Mandela Effect memories.

      That’s the tip of the iceberg, in things I’d like to say about your comment, but I was trying to turn off the computer nearly an hour ago. I’m sure I’ll get caught up in additional replies to your comment, and I’m interested in what others say about these topics, as well.

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      1. Hi, Fiona,

        I’ll play devil’s advocate on this one and throw out a fun little thought-grenade: what if it’s a case of an urban legend that then drove a Mandela Effect? Whichever mechanic you prefer (mind over matter, morphic resonance fields, a rather extended version of RNG-manipulation), could it not have sprung from within, rather than without?

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    2. Mike Nelson,

      I believe your comment about Fruit Loops being changed in the 1970’s to Froot Loops is incorrect.. If you Google images of the cereal boxes through the years, even dating back to the early 60’s, there is no evidence of the Fruit Loop spelling …Yet there are many people, including myself , who remember it being spelled that way.. So I do believe this one would qualify as a Mandela Effect.

      Thanks for your link about the Challenger astronauts.. The most interesting one to me is Judith Resnik since we can not only compare what she looks like now and then, but actually compare her mannerisms and voice, which appear to be the same.

      Also the pictures of Michael J. Smith, then and now, seem to be a match.

      There are a few Mandela Effect scenarios that could be connected to this, like a different reality where they weren’t killed, or a possible time traveler altering the past?.. I know that sounds pretty far out there, but in today’s changing reality anything seems possible.

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      1. I don’t know what happened to the link I posted about Judith Resnik but when I clicked on it, the video was gone… I found it again and am reposting it for anyone who might be interested in this subject.

        Are the Crew Members of 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger Still Alive?

        If this turns out to be true it will be bigger news than just the spelling change of a cereal or celebrities apparently dying twice, or coming back from the dead.

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        1. Kathy, the two look alike in many ways, but I’m not sure what your point is.

          The video is classic conspiracy material. If you want to go down that road, another YouTube video takes the topic a step further: https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60

          (For me, the red flags start waving if a religious reference is among the leading descriptors used, and one of the most obvious, popular conclusions is that the media lied about the person’s death. Anyone interested in that kind of conspiracy should search for “crisis actors.” The topic is massive. For example, a Google search for “crisis actors” + “Boston Marathon” turns up more than 10 pages of links. Other sites delve into this topic with far more zeal — and more website resources — than I have.)

          I can find at least a dozen photos in which the two Judith Resniks look completely different. Even in the video, the law professor’s eyes-to-nose proportions aren’t a match for the most likely ways the astronaut would have aged. (And, I’d argue that, if plastic surgery were used, they’d have changed her name, as well.)

          This would be Mandela Effect if astronaut Judith Resnick suddenly turned up, alive, as if no Challenger disaster had happened, or if — as one of the three likely to have been alive after the cockpit separated from the vehicle — she’d survived the tragedy in this reality (as opposed to dying).

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    3. Nikola Tesla:

      “Alpha waves in the human brain are between 6 and 8 hertz. The wave frequency of the human cavity resonates between 6 and 8 hertz. All biological systems operate in the same frequency range. The human brain’s alpha waves function in this range and the electrical resonance of the earth is between 6 and 8 hertz. Thus, our entire biological system – the brain and the earth itself – work on the same frequencies. If we can control that resonate system electronically, we can directly control the entire mental system of humankind. ”

      (I hate to censor, but perhaps the comments on tinnitus page that focused on symptoms could be deleted to continue discussion. Still very interested. Possible DNA link would be interesting. Upon research, found background of members hinting at Scotland)

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      1. Daniel, I agree that this is still an interesting topic. I’m considering different ways to phrase a fresh article, to reboot the conversation without editing what was said before. It’s difficult for me to draw a line; anything could be useful to the discussion. However, frequencies, DNA, and markers are among the topics I’d consider relevant, or at least good starting points to see where the conversation could lead.

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  13. I receive an email update of comments made and keep seeing that comments have been moved to various areas, but when I go to that area to look for the comment, they aren’t there. This time was to see Mike Nelson’s original comment which Fiona had replied to. She said it would be in this section but I can’t find it.

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  14. If i check up on the search terms: “Mandela effect”, “Berenstein” and “Berenstain” in Google Trends, there is a very big spike for the month of August 2015. Then it was downhill again towards September, but the search activity is still higher than in July. What happened in August? No headlines from news are featured in this period according to Google, which makes small milestone icons when a popular news article in the media mentions the search term.

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    1. Two things happened around that time: First, George Takei discovered — to his amazement — that the Berenstein Bears were the Berenstain Bears… and said so at Facebook. Then, a few weeks (I think) later, Wil Wheaton made a similar comment, I think at G+. Both of them have huge followings, and their comments led people here.

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      1. Hi, Mikkel S. & Fiona,

        George Takei’s post was 05 Aug 2015, & Wil Wheaton’s was 04 Oct 2015.

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          1. Hi, Fiona,

            Maybe they _hadn’t_ been that far apart at the time that you’d found out about them, I don’t know — I know only that they were that far apart recently.

            As a side thought, regarding just how many people are aware of the M.E.: George Takei’s FB post [1] has so far reached 11,659 “Likes”, 2,853 comments, & 932 shares; Wil Wheaton’s Tumblr [2] has now reached 154,051 notes (2 more than a few hours ago), and his Facebook post [3] has now reached 258 “Likes”, 52 comments, & 0 (none) shares.

            I’ve seen some FB-posts, tweets, tumbls (right word?) from other famous people (and some apparently-famous people, I suppose — I don’t know them, but they seem to be famous). It makes me wonder just how many people are currently aware of all of this (ignoring repeats who know of it via multiple channels, of course).

            Of the comments, I haven’t bothered trying to get a statistical sampling (yeesh…), but a good number of them seem to agree about team-E, at any rate. I think that it’s safe to say that there are at least thousands of people with this issue at hand (whatever the issue itself might entail).

            [1] https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/posts/1327077263988390
            [2] http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/130498877454/findinggaby-catbountry-latesummer94?og=1&fb_action_ids=783247775135100&fb_action_types=tumblr-feed%3Areblog
            [3] https://www.facebook.com/itswilwheaton/posts/782863021840242:4

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            1. Closeted team-E, I’m laughing about the idea that the comments really weren’t that far apart, when I found out about them. It’s more likely that George’s comment triggered a massive wave of interest in this website, and I was so busy trying to keep up with comments, I lost track of time. For months. (Well, when his post first broke, comment reviews suddenly took ~5 hours/day, instead of a cumulative one hour/week.)

              Still, I’m grateful for the short-term traffic spike, as resultant comments helped confirm that this is a fairly widespread issue. Of course, the Berenstein/Berenstain Bears topic was huge. However, many people who came to this site — looking for the Bears’ info — stayed to read more. In the process, they discovered more of their own alternate memories, and left comments that may turn out to be very useful as we sort what’s behind Mandela Effect memories.

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  15. Hi Fiona,

    New post here and not replying to anyone. I’m fairly certain that this fascinating phenomena Mandela Effect is a real deal. Nobody know the real cause(s) of it. Whatever the theories (parallel universe, multiverse, CERN, etc), I can confidently dismiss the ‘Time Travel’ theory as one of the cause. Reason being the changes in the world map. I’m not a geography freak, but if that is what’s been claim by many, so be it. I don’t see how time travelers have the abilities to moves countries to new locations. All the other theories are plausible, but not time travelling.

    ( *I typed ‘Traveller’ but there’s red underscore on the word and corrected me to traveler. English is not my native language, so I hope someone can enlighten me the actual spelling of this word. I remember Traveller. Double ‘L’ )

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    1. Ben, thanks for your comment.

      “Traveller” is correct and so is the more modern spelling, “traveler.” In some areas, “Traveller” (upper case T, and two Ls) suggests people who’ve chosen a migratory lifestyle, including (but not exclusive to) those sometimes called “Gypsies.” However, the double-L spelling is phonetically correct and used by some traditional spellers. The “travellers” spelling tends to be more in use in England — and Britain in general — than in the U.S. (Generally, I favor traditional spellings, but when I write for an audience, I’m usually mindful of the way the majority of my audience spell words… although I make no claims for consistency.)

      Also, I’d be surprised if all “Mandela Effect” phenomena can be traced to a single explanation. That would be odd, to say the least.

      You’re right that time travelers probably can’t move land masses or shift countries to new locations. Not easily, anyway. What they might do — for a purpose or for fun — is change maps and schoolbooks for five years or so, just to watch people’s reactions when they find out where countries and land masses really are. In the lead-up to space travel and related photography, I can see that happening… if that somewhat disturbing idea is true. (I think it’s preposterous, but I can’t 100% rule it out.)

      So, going far out on that limb, time travel could affect geography as we perceive it, and be a factor in the general phenomenon that I’ve described as the Mandela Effect… a phrase that seems to be in the wild and used for all kinds of things, far beyond my original intent.

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      1. Hi Fiona,

        Thanks for your thorough explanation of the word (traveler/traveller). I really appreciate that. 🙂 Talking about time travelers(if they exist) altering the maps, I still find it impossible. Peoples in the logistics, aviation, and maritime industries relied greatly on maps and coordinates. They need to arrived on the physical locations base the map that they have. For example traveling between NZ and Australia. The route has always been the same base on the map. If time travelers did altered the map and peoples in the industries followed the altered map, they could never reach the physical destination between the 2 countries and all hell will break lose. I’m sorry I’m not very good in explaining, but I do hope you get what I mean.

        Regards.

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        1. Ben, I understand your point, but this is leading off-topic.

          Industry maps might not have been involved.

          For personal amusement (or a bet), a time traveler need only alter one map, globe, or textbook to create confusion. It could take years to track back to the cause, and — by then — the publisher (or time traveler) may have changed things back again. All evidence may have vanished.

          Time travel is a valid topic as an adjunct to the Mandela Effect, and I personally believe the two may have some connections.

          However, most conversations like this rely so heavily on speculation, it’s easy to lose sight of the issues we can study with greater confidence, substance, and scientific support.

          Before casually dismissing the concept of time travel, consider a world in which time travel is normal, for research or recreation. The problem is: When talking about the Mandela Effect and time travel, the ramifications are massive, and can become a tangled topic rather quickly.

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          1. I don’t want to send this FURTHER off topic than it already is, but I do feel it’s important to remain open to ALL possibilities regarding The Mandela Effect.
            I understand that moving entire continents seems to be out of the realm of possibility for a “Time Traveler”, but the TRUTH is we just don’t have enough information to say that.
            If anyone is reading this and thinking “Its RIGHT THERE in front of me on a map! How much more information do I need?” they are missing a whole history of information that could span SEVERAL industries! I don’t want to go into a lenghty expanation about how a “time traveler” could cause this, with SO LITTLE information that we have anything could be the cause.

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            1. (Reply to DbD on 11/12/15)
              I’ve often thought and heard that if Time and Space are actually one thing, a fabric of time/space rather than two separate things. If that’s so then any movement in one dimension (time and/or space) is therefore movement in the other.

              For example, teleportation would not just be movement across space, but also across time and vice versa. In order to travel on just one side of the equation, move a variable along the axis of time OR space, wouldn’t we have to hold the other side/axis constant?
              (Science types feel free to comment. I am in no way completely educated on these subjects.)

              So, I agree. We shouldn’t necessarily limit the possible explanations of the Mandela Effect.

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              1. Hey Jennifer,
                Thanks for the reply and the support. I’m definitely of the same mind as Fiona in regards to the physics of “Special Relativity”, in the fact that I have just enough knowledge to make me dangerous. But, I think the majority would agree with us, in the fact that we just don’t have enough info to start ruling possibilities out.

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      2. Hi Fiona,
        Ben, Wow! This subject immediately brought to mind the Piri Reis map and other ancient maps that are “mysteriously” accurate which kind of made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

        I did a web search and noticed that most of the skeptic’s arguments about the accuracy of the maps were : differences in the sizes of the continents or certain degrees of distance continents were from the equator, coastlines that were distorted and peninsulas and islands that existed or didn’t exist in the maps. (A lot similarities to the shared memories.)

        I share SO many of the Major Memories but I was never much of a geography student so my memory of coastlines is pretty limited in any of my timelines. That turns out to be a real blessing , if it weren’t the case I would be obsessing over satellite images of the Earth right now. 😉

        I would like to think that a lot could be explained if there were a parallel between ME and Time Travel, especially looking at advanced civilizations like ancient Egypt, Greece or China or at men like Galileo or DiVinci or Tesla.

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  16. I remember years ago my friends and I were talking about different pizza chain gimmicks from the past, and I mentioned that I remembered the “Big Foot Pizza” from Little Ceasers, but my friends all laughed at me and said that Pizza Hut had the Big Foot Pizza. I had clear memories of getting the Big Foot Pizza from Little Ceasers, so I bet my friend $20 that is was Little Ceasers and I lost. Does anyone remember Little Ceasers with the Big Foot and not Pizza Hut?

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    1. John O, my very casual memory (not to be relied upon) is that it was Little Caesar’s. I’d associated it with the cartoon-ish Roman figure in their advertising, and his big feet. At the time, it sounded wonderful (and I’ve always liked Little Caesar’s pizzas), but a Little Caesar’s wasn’t anywhere near us and trying a Big Foot Pizza wasn’t an option. So, I’d probably seen the Big Foot Pizza ad on TV.

      Again, it’s not a reliable memory… just adding my two cents.

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    2. John O.-

      Re: the Bigfoot pizza. Yes! I just had this realization recently as well. My town just got a Little Caesar’s pizza and I asked my husband if he remembered the Big Foot pizza they used to sell in the 90’s (it seemed like it was served at every birthday party I attended for years!). I was shocked to find the commercial on YouTube showing the Big Foot pizza was from Pizza Hut, NOT Little Caesar’s.

      I even have a vague memory of going with a friend and their parent/s to pick one of these up from Little Caesar’s.

      I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers it this way!

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      1. Thanks for confirming this Jessica P! My friends all had a good time razzing me about it. I wish I would have stayed in that timeline, then I would be $20 richer! lol

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  17. There is a movie I clearly remember watching in the late ’90s.
    The Man From Earth.
    (Fantastic, intellectual, science fiction, btw!)
    I know it was the ’90s, because we were in an apartment when we watched it, and we bought our house in 2000.
    However, in the current timeline, it wasn’t produced until 2006.

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    1. Hi,
      its the same feeling for me, for the man from earth…
      i know for sure that i watched that movie on my laptot in our old appartment, that was between 2006-2008, and at that time i was thinking why i never heard of this 90s movie before…before i watch a movie i go always check for information on imdb…so for me this was a 90 movies..btw im a movie fanatic…
      i had the same thing with the masters of the universe…on imdb and wiki they say that the movie came out in 1987…i went watch this movie with my mom in theater…but i was born in 1985…i asked my mom how old i was when we went watch the movie…she told me ive must been 5 or 6…impossible that my mom took me with 2 years in theater to watch that movie…
      first change i noticed was the looney toons change…knew nothing about the mandela effect yet…
      i was at a trip and bought a cap for my son…at a hip hop store…there was a looney tunes cap and i thought that this was an allusion for tunes because it was kind of a music store…
      later i read beneath the cap that’s all folks…then i realised that this must bee a original looney toons cap…but why does it say looney tunes?
      then i went google for looney toons…an when i saw the first official pics with looney tunes thats the first time i got this strange feeling…this was 6 months ago…
      second thing was interview with a vampire…100% sure it always was interview with a vampire…got the same strange feeling as the looney toons change when i went check for it…thats the time i found out that there were other people with the same feeling…learned about mandela effect
      another thing for me is the ford logo…i shared a fiesta for 2 years with my younger sister…the ford logo was imprinted on the steering wheel…the font changed…my sister noticed too…never told her about the mandela effect..we sold the car 1 year ago…so i went check i they changed the font of the logo..no it’s the same since 1976…impossible for me i’ve never saw the logo like this before..

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    2. I remember watching an episode of the twilight zone in the early 90s with the same story (even the same title), i noticed that when i watched the movie The man from earth around 2007. I guess i have to be wrong since nobody here mentioned it but … Tbh it’s a not a strong memory but i had to share it anyway.

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  18. Uh … do we have any MUSIC AFICIONADOS here?
    For that matter, does anyone here recall “aficionado” being spelled with two “f’s”?! That is a word I’m well acquainted with, and spellcheck just corrected me on a spelling I’ve known quite well. Apparently, the etymology has switched to the Spanish root, or just the entire word: “aficionado”, which translates to “amateur”. The Latin “affectio” — which is the root of the English “affection –, reflects a “favorable disposition towards” — or, thus, “affection”. That’s how I memorized the spelling of the word. A “music aFFicionado”, in its original form, means a “lover of music”. The Spanish word “aficionado” would literally mean to be a “music amateur”. That’s completely the opposite definition. I didn’t come here to ask about this word, but that was a total shock! Anyway …

    What I was originally going to as is: Is anyone familiar with BASSIST “Brian Behler”? I recall, very well, the “h” being in his name. It always drove me nuts, because it made me want to pronounce it with the “h” sound in it. I even remember a discussion where someone else even admitted not knowing how to pronounce his name. He stopped and asked, “Is that how you pronounce his name? I never know whether that “h” makes it more like “beller” or “bayler?” I tried to pronounce his name properly, just as I tried to pronounce Ace Frehley’s name properly (FRAY-lee vs FREE-ly; though I think I’ve given up, because Freely sounds cooler).
    So I went to look up the musicians behind Dethklok, because the only member whose name I remembered was Brian Behler. When I pulled up the info, I discovered his name is now spelled BELLER.
    It was never BELLER; it was BEHLER.

    Oh, well. I don’t have to fight with pronunciation now!

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    1. Hi, Duren Black,

      I don’t know if this is M.E. or minor (normal) memory (or perhaps 2 typos, I suppose), but there might be a second change to his name (I’m not familiar with him, so I can’t say either way): I ran a Google just now, and the results indicate that his first name (“Brian”) is actually “Bryan”. Welcome to your latest timeline/reality,memory/something.

      Side-note: as of 27 Nov (2015), there’s now also a music page at http://mandelaeffect.com/music-alternate-memories

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      1. Hey, Closeted Team-E!
        Just now saw this message! Haha! I came to this section because I noticed there was an entire section devoted to music, and I was getting ready to copy & paste the Beller/Behler thing over there (along with the one about Robot Unicorn Attack). *thumbs up*

        Yep! 48 hours later, I noticed the change to the first name, too. Not a typo; his name was spelled BrIan on another timeline. 😉 When I saw the “y”, I was like, “His FIRST name now?!” lol

        Thanks for the reply. 🙂

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  19. When I was younger, I remember that the ‘redo’ shortcut was quite complicated for me at the time.
    I’m sure I always got annoyed when I had to use it.
    It was something like ctrl+shift+(some other key) on Word and it differed from software to software.
    After some time, I gave up trying to learn it and began using only the arrow button instead.
    I always wondered why it wasn’t something as easy as ctrl+z or ctrl+c.
    So imagine my surprise when I found out that now you can redo something with simply ctrl+y in almost any software lol

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  20. Any Roald Dahl fans out there?

    I found two things that appear to have changed for me:
    The space creatures that are a main part of the story in Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator are now called Vermicious Knids. I remember them being called Vernicious Knids (when I learned about pernicious anemia, the word “clicked” as being the word that Vernicious was modeled after). What looks right: VerMicious or VerNicious?

    The other one is a (seemingly) new chapter in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It’s a very short chapter (2 pages) called “Square sweets that look round.” The chapter is delightfully hilarious; my 7 year old didn’t remember it either (this is my third time reading it to her) but she loved the “new” chapter so much that she had me read it about five times.

    I’ve read most of his books multiple times, in my own childhood and to both of my children. I own a box set of Roald Dahl books, so they’re the same ones I’ve read again and again.

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    1. Google just changed between two searches. Vernicious Knids self populated the first time I searched, and there were multiple searches that came up with that spelling. Then the next time, only a minute later, it was “corrected” to Vermicious. There is also a band called the Vernicious Knids. Maybe they were avoiding copyright issues, or maybe they remember the word as I do.

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      1. FJ, I remember VerMicious Knids, having read the book as a child and I remember repeating the words over and over in my head because I loved how it sounded. I remember VerMicious because it was similar to Vermin, which I had recently learned. Of course, it’s entirely possible that in your reality it was VerNicious.

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        1. Thanks for the reply Christine. I don’t doubt your memory either, that it was always with an M for you. Either way the books are still great!
          . Vermicious is really hard for me to say- I have to really think about it. For now, I’ll take comfort in Google search evidence that others remember Vernicious also 🙂

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    2. Hi, FJ,

      Although I remember it with an “M”, there are 22 Google pages of hits for the “N” version. Some of them might well be avoiding copyright issues, as you had suggested, but some of them clearly use specific content (such as “Snozwankers”, “Oompa-Loompas”, “Ewoks” (no idea what that’s about…), a quotations page [1], and one is even an official Penguin Books page [2].

      Hmm, yet another dilemNa/dilemMa?

      [1] http://www.quotes.net/mquote/104720
      [2] https://www.penguin.com.au/corporate-sales/node/19443131

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      1. Great finds Closeted Team E! Thank you. When I first searched it, plenty of hits showed up with Vernicious, however, on subsequent searches many of them were gone, and Google corrected it “did you mean Vermicious?”.

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  21. I try not to let extraneous, things enter my typing. sometimes i include somethings if i feel they have a connection to the main subject. I offer interesting links to effects that could be linked to the mandela effect. but most of my comments are on subject. I used to moderate several forums and websites, I know how hard it is.. so i try to stay on subject.. mostly.. What you do here is fantastic, trying to keep the personalities from clashing, I know thats hard, and if i dont see my comments on here I know how it is i am not going to get upset or angry. for me certain commonalities exist between us on this site, but there are also radical differences as well.. There are as many answers out there as questions sometimes theres the wrong question or a wrong answer.. All i can do is say and maybe give a little sense that we are sane, we just see a little deeper of a reality that the mainstream doesnt necessarily wish to see.

    That no matter what, and how someone experiences the mandela effect that they are not alone, even if , especially if their experience is different to mine, my memory may be from a 3rd universe, which is a combination of the 2 others.. With the Gotcha i do say that but i tend to expand a little more on it as its a trigger for more knowledge i have. especially as i live so far away from many people.. I can see how questioning the “standard” answer of reality can be disturbing to others, whether personally, or organisationally.. People and groups are afraid of things that are not “normal”, case in point i was taught the “offical” history of certain events, but i had a family member who experienced the truth the reality of that time.. but it was only the real truth rather than the Official truth,

    I try to be entertaining, or bring something new or even as i said a cultural difference being from the UK, a different view. So i am grateful to this site and to you Fiona, and all the others here, even if especially if people are here to help me question whats going on.

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  22. Does anyone remember when Diana died, a news report came on at around 3am reporting that she had been in a car crash. The reporter went on to say she was unhurt with minor lacerations to her thigh and was seen pacing up and down in an agitated state. By daylight, it was reported she was dead and no mention of the news report again. Myself and my mother witnessed that news report and to this day cannot explain it.

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    1. I do remember the first news reports because I was up nursing my newborn… and was in total shock. But I don’t share this memory… it was 3 am and the news report was she was still alive but it critical condition along with one other while 2 were DO A… she was being rushed to a Paris hospital.

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  23. Anyone les experience that shift? 1:33 11/13/15?
    Just witnessed a repeat in a movie I was watching ? I dont want to be specific , but anyone led catch that?

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    1. BEN, were you watching via a streaming service, via cable, antenna, from a DVD? I’m not sure if readers should focus on the time it happened, or something else.

      And, if this is time-related, can you tell us the time zone you’re in, or relate it to GMT?

      (I use Roku to watch TV and streaming services, so I’m accustomed to some very weird repeats in all kinds of programming. Something odd happened with what I was watching, yesterday, and I’m not sure if it’s relevant or not. With streaming services, I usually ignore the glitches, but this one was annoying enough that I was going to contact Amazon about it.)

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  24. Fiona,

    I haven’t seen these few below listed anywhere so far (whether here, Wood Between the Worlds, numerous YouTube videos, Reddit, etc.–but I’m still trying to read through the Major Memories comments), so I figured that I should mention them in case they help anyone else. I’ve noted these in the past 2 weeks, but only due to having stumbled upon everyone else’s noting the Mandela Effect, or else might well have not glanced over maps and globes as carefully for some time to come. (Note: a rather large single corpus of material can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA423hLHsg8 .)

    * Madagascar: “should be” rather smaller, much more north, and maybe(?) a bit more east;
    * Sicily: “should be” farther from Italy;
    * Corsica: “should be” smaller;
    * Sardinia: “should be” smaller;
    * Costa Rica: “should be” a separate island;
    * Central America too long: “should be” that (a little under the Yucatán peninsula) it would connect directly to Panama, then Colombia.
    * Honolulu should be south-facing crescent, but is instead roughly SE-facing, missing 1/3 eastern land [balance of Western lump]
    * HonOlulu used to be spelled HonAlulu

    For those who remember Baja California being somewhat smaller (than Florida, for example), perhaps this map will ease your nerves (at least somewhat, I hope; this one “feels” [synaesthesia?] about right, to me): http://worldmapswithout.nz/image/132466189638 .

    On a related tangent, for those who have concerns about New Zealand (practically all of us, methinks): http://33.media.tumblr.com/f9d2705a940be02f38d3986cd68c5495/tumblr_nsxd2msf8O1tv3nnno1_400.gif (it shifts to northeast in ’08, and disappears in 2010–odd “glitch”, to say the least, but happily one that matches my NZ memory).

    Please note that I’m more of a math and physics geek (and a little linguistics) than geography. I say that in order to clarify that although I’m rather certain of the above data, they’re not in my particular niche.

    I’ve taken recently to breaking down which effects affect me (or don’t) and to what broad extent (I now see that there are far more items than I would wish to tackle as a multivariate study, though). I’d love to go on about a number of them (catch the pigeon certainly comes to mind), but misdoubt the value of an exhaustive listing being of great value within a forum (though if you’d like, I’d be happy to give you my data, whether publicly or privately [and no, that’s not a hopeful hint, merely an honest offer/statement]). One thing that does strike me though, is that some of those I had noted in the ’80s, some in the ’90s, and quite a few in the early ’00s (and, naturally, some I can’t nail down when, or hadn’t noted until they were brought to my attention in the past week or two).

    If it’s of any help, although I haven’t done a hard-core breakdown of categorizing the observations that I’ve read, I have been noting them somewhat offhandedly and just now plugged them into a spreadsheet. Of the approximately 464 items (edit on-the-fly: “Berke” Breathed, Greenland’s size, & a peninsula? 467, and counting…): 8 I have no clue what they’re even about, 210 I don’t know enough to weigh in on, 148 (59.68% of known) don’t apply to me, 18 (7.26% of known) are “maybes”, and 82 (33.06% of known) do apply to me. Please note that these numbers are within a small margin of error, since some are multi-part category overlaps (though no duplicates). I think that I’ll have to forgo digging deeply into https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect (much less Google trends & Ngram view). With this reasonably large sample size, I expect that my percentages will remain roughly as is, but since I have yet to read most of your site (another 10 or so Major Memory comment pages, plus all but 12 of the category-specific pages), I expect that my raw numbers will climb accordingly.

    For possibly-relevant reference: I was born in late 1971 (just shy of 44 y/o), no known NDEs (with one possible exception in early 2005: car crash [head trauma / TBI, which makes my observations possibly suspect]), no blood transfusions, a “touch” of scarlet fever @ age 9, a hallucinating fever just after 17th b’day (unk. illness, but flu-like). For the elucidation of any potential “trolls” who might read this: yes, I’m American; no, I’ve studied widely (both within the USA and abroad: I lived for 11 years in Europe and Japan, and spent several months in the Middle East), and my test scores are invariably excellent (specifically: I set the curve, when grading is performed in this fashion).

    Before I forget: thank you, Fiona, so very, _very_ much for the work that you’ve put into keeping this site beautifully troll-free. In reading elsewhere, I’m reminded of why I so long ago stopped bothering reading online (beyond the occasional bit of Wikipedia, or some such).

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    1. Edit:

      I posted originally “Honolulu should be south-facing crescent, but is instead roughly SE-facing, missing 1/3 eastern land [balance of Western lump]”

      My apologies, but I when I posted it, I had been trying to get around the surprise there (and not proofreading sufficiently, though that’s no excuse), and had meant “Honolulu should be a south-facing crescent, but is instead roughly SW-facing, missing 1/3 western land [balance of eastern lump]”.

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  25. Poland is now bigger than Germany!!! WHAT is going on!? I am switching several times a day now! Fiona, is it alarming that I am noticing changes every couple hours that are big all throughout each day for the past week? Am I doing this to myself somehow? Why is it speeding up so much? Does anyone have any ideas? Is this happening to anyone else?

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    1. Katherine, it’s always important to rule out all normal explanations before leaping to conclusions. I’m not sure what those might be, aside from graphics glitches at the server, ISP, or even browser levels.

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    2. I used to have dreams that I would record only to see them play out years later. The time for these things however have continued to decrease moving to months, weeks, days and now almost real-time or instantaneously. It wasn’t until 2014 that I noticed the increase of dreams, visions, thoughts playing out. 2014 was year I found out about BerenstAin after researching my bloodline.

      According to my teenager, who has felt a sudden sense to illustrate their time-continuum theories “it has ALL to do with frequencies”. That there is a possibility for the mind to increase frequencies by which it operates while also picking up bits from lower frequencies when they touch. Imagine the higher frequency experiencing a total of 10 waves within X amount of time and a lower frequency with 7 waves for that same time period. The higher frequency’s trough touches the lower frequency’s peak possibly 4-5 times.

      My portion of theory- then imagine that both of these frequencies rotating on a spiral like plane where the number of touches begin to increase exponentially until meeting in the middle of what appears to be a circle. Eventually the different frequencies diverge and touches do not happen as often again.

      In 2007 I had a dream about there being another plane of existence where those on the other plane (almost twin) could be seen and communication was telepathic. Early this year however I had a dream that another planet collided into Earth and I was experiencing two realities were I was both on the Earth experiencing this happen with my youngest while also being on a plane during the time of collision. What really shook me is the fact that the other planet or whatever it was has always been something I have experienced in prior dreams with my youngest even prior to their birth. The other reality where I was experiencing the same type of collision but in a plane with them is VERY new.

      It has always been a red sky and plane and always with my youngest even before they were conceived. She is the only girl

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      1. Oh yeah- think I understand the “Brick/Break in the wall” lyric. I have been trying to find out more about HAM radio. I looked at someone’s explanation of frequency waves and because of their thick accent it sounded like every time they mentioned “volt” it sounded like “vwall”. If you look at waves though it does appear to be a wall of sorts. Maybe…

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  26. I moved this month so it’s no surprise that I needed a laundrymat. I found quite a few in the area. My new roommate asked where they were. I pulled out my phone to search them again and would you believe I can’t seem to spell laundrymat anymore. I think the strangest part is how weird the correct spelling looked last night … (I have not corrected the spelling so you can spell it before you look it up.) – and be quick the new spelling for me is starting to look right.

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  27. I was surfing the net and remembered a movie I saw with my daughter. The Polar Bear Express. I recall seeing the movie years later and noticed a major change. I amuse myself thinking back to how it really bothered me, so I questioned it, thought I’d look into deeper but apparently I just blew it off. I remember being very uptight about it. I never did figure out the difference that bothered me. I think I even consciously ignored the idea if I ever came across it in the future. So, while surfing I thought I’d look it up and maybe something would click.
    Well … Its now called The Polar Express … and a boy taking an adventure to the North Pole, I found interesting … since there is no North Pole as in a land mass why bother with this fiction?

    I also remember Admiral Byrd taking an expedition to the North Pole before his South Pole expedition. Come to think of it, I was always familiar (which changed for me years ago from firmiliar) with the North Pole expedition and only heard of the South Pole expedition early this year.

    I’ve learned or have come to realize there are things that move you in and out of the ‘Matrix’ … I’m in the process of testing my theories

    I’d also like to bring up a thought: Actually this was kinda like thinking out loud…
    If there are ‘glitches’ or as I’ve seen them called ‘residue’ from another dimension…meaning BerenstEin is found in an old newspaper article …. I’m guessing we merged rather than jumped dimensions as one would think BerenstEin would never have been heard of in the NEW (NEXT) dimension. Unless … We dragged those CLUES with us …. on purpose …. back to the drawing board …

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  28. I am not sure if this was mentioned here or maybe picked up elsewhere or what but the “Where’s the beef” slogan originated with the fast food chain Whataburger. I remember seeing it on the commercials when I lived in Houston, TX. Hence the yellow color scheme with red lining. I do not think I was exposed to Wendy’s until moving further north in the early 90’s. They do not look affiliated.

    Does anyone else remember these Whataburger commercials with the slogan “Where’s the beef”? There was one in particular I remembered which marketed off of the Moving Violations movie when the actors where on the tarmac. (The commercials were hilarious back then, 1980’s)

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  29. Fiona, Why don’t you go into writing fiction based on ME,creating an alternate world like wonderland and everworld but this time with identical settings albeit different destinies.Follow the logic of making it children’s books,a new generation of stories for young in the legacy of Carroll and Berenstains and K.A.Applegate.You have got a command over grammar,only thing will be to hone your skills of flair,if successful it might be a legitimate and gainful way to probe the concept of ME.

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    1. Vivek, thank you, and we’re thinking in similar terms. I’ll take a look at that kind of project early in 2016, when I usually take a break to consider the calendar year ahead.

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    1. Wow. I never read the book, and I haven’t seen the movie in a long time, so I don’t know if my opinion means much. But Stuart does NOT seem right to me, at all.

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    2. I recall the name as Stuart. Do you remember differently? How long ago, and when did it change for you?

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  30. Fiona, I don’t know how often you update/add topics to the major memories page, but for me I’ve been seeing new BIG things every day I’ve checked. New celebrities I find out are still alive or new geographical changes to the map. This makes me think I’ve been jumping even more than I realize as comments regarding these topics go back weeks or even months.

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    1. Katherine, I update it about once every two weeks, on average. Rarely, I update once a week. Sometimes, I’m so busy, I don’t update it for a month. Generally, I wait to be sure the topic is really trending, doesn’t have a “too easy” explanation, and that it’s likely to resonate with many readers.

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  31. Yet another 3am thought. Not sure where to put this but it covers a lot of ground. We all know or at least feel that realities are changing, I wonder what would happen if we changed to another universe where it was berenstEIn and has always been.. would we still have this site, would the Stainers be the ones who are in the minority, be coming to ths site saying its stain.. Would we Steiners be the ones saying its always has been stein.. Hypothetically could we switch back to our original universes, taking the stainers to our world. If the realities changed again would I even still be here posting on this site, or would i post “memories” of posting on this site that arent here..

    I have noticed that it does seem that a few of us seem to have memories of things changing in a small incremental phase. Like australia and new zealand, my memories of the position of new zealand is about a quarter of someone elses, same with the “ear” of australia, it was never that sharp to me, but others have its duller, others remember the sharp. could it be that there are many slightly different worlds, like an animation scene, where one part is one, then the next is a fractionally different..So if we could get people to put a series of images of australia together from our memories would we see a logical progression of change. This could affect so many other things..

    I have been listening to some people on youtubes who now are dismissing the Luke i am your father, is “just” a misremembering as is Magic Mirror/Mirror mirror, and many other lines not just famous lines . I dont think they understand the many millions that have been created by using those lines. you would think that marketing, would have the “correct” line. Yes they can be playing devils advocate for ratings but i think theres something more there. A fear that their realities are wobbling, so they sink back into nothing to see here.. it never happened.. it must be X and Y.. You would have thought someone would have said something before, about being wrong before now.. I know the ine play it again sam, was never in our version of casablanca, and it has been known for years. but When did it change in society, that we remember being told its wrong.. Was it ever in the script as being that way but it was changed.. or it was mis said in the film and they kept it in rather than reshoot. Mirror Mirror/Magic Mirror is recent, even parodies of it tip their hat to it and other lines.

    Theres even a few videos of the stars of Sex and the city calling it sex IN the city, you would think that they would get it right.

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  32. There is an app called Yerdle in which you take a photograph of something and you can sell it on the app for Yerdle (the app’s currency). You can then purchase what other users are selling by using the Yerdle that other users pay you for your items. I got curious and searched “Berenstein” to see if anybody had spelled it like that. There were four separate users who took photographs of their book, uploaded them to the app, and still “misspelled” the word as Berenstein instead of Berenstain. Thought that was interesting.

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  33. Hi, Fiona.

    I’m posting this comment for my friend, who doesn’t come to the site but instead awaits my reports on what’s new here. This is about Gloria Steinem. My friend is utterly convinced that she was dead. She doesn’t remember details of when or how, only that it was “quite some time ago”, meaning pre-2000. She watched a documentary on Ms. Steinem recently, that did nothing to dispel that idea. So she was terribly shocked when the lady in question was a guest on Trevor Noah’s show several days ago (Nov. 3). Since then, it seems like she’s been popping up everywhere. According to my friend. I haven’t noticed.

    I had nothing to add to the conversation, because I have no idea if Gloria Steinem was supposed to be dead or alive. Does anyone else remember her being deceased?

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    1. Hi, Dee Hali! I was surprised (and pleased) that Ms. Steinem is still around, but I can’t claim any memory of her death. Mostly, I’ve been amazed that we heard very little about or from her, and suddenly — bingo — she’s back. (Then again, that could be a case of media bias, or that she just needed a good, long break from being in the headlines.)

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  34. Ok here’s something crazy (if anything can even be considered crazy anymore), I don’t know if anyone else remember’s this but about a month or two ago there was a discussion on here about George Zimmerman – his name had been changed to George Zimern and people were saying how they always remembered the name because of Andrew Zimmerman who does the Bizarre Foods show. Now it’s reversed, George’s last name is once again Zimmerman, but Andrew’s last name is now Zimmern…
    This one really bothers me because I always remembered them as having the same last name, I always remembered Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmerman, and I even wrote down when George’s last name changed before. This personally is the most solid proof I’ve encountered. It’s also the first thing I’ve seen switch back and forth like that.
    p.s. Zimmerman doesn’t have a red underline, Zimmern does

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    1. JP, the Zimmerman topic was raised by Kaleb in his comment: http://mandelaeffect.com/major-memories/major-memories-comments-10#comment-21504, with just one reference to George Zimmerman.

      That’s odd, because I was sure there was more discussion about George Zimmerman’s surname, separate from the Andrew topic and related thread.

      Now, searching comments via my dashboard, I can’t find any, even in private/confidential memories. (Then again, this could be a software issue… but I don’t think it is. When I search on just “George,” the results include every reference to George Bush, all the way back to the start of this website.)

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      1. This is one thats been floating around my house for a few months now. My wife and I both discovered this accidentally about 6 months ago. I felt it could be my memory, but she is sure it has changed.
        For the record, since this one is personal to us, I try to keep track of when I hear or see it mentioned, and I ran across Caleb’s comment a couple of weeks ago. I haven’t run across any others discussing it, but I’ve only read back to page 8 of the “Major Memories” so far.

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      2. I know I made a comment about Andrew Zimmerman because I watch his show religiously and the over week name change really tweaked me.

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        1. You probably did, Ayla. The missing comments are more about George Zimmerman’s surname spelling. However, after someone else found the New York City reference my dashboard search didn’t reveal, I’m pretty sure my software can’t fully/accurately search all 8k+ comments.

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    2. That is weird. I only remember Andrew Zimmern being discussed here as changing. I remember George Zimmerman being brought up because people remembered them having the same last name. George’s name was definitely used in more than one comment because at least 2 other people were sharing in that memory.

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  35. I, as well, find this all very fascinating, and also have been shocked at the differences of what I knew, and now know to be true.
    I have a question: Does anyone remember the Brazil Flag as green, with a half sun on it and rays spreading out to the top and edges. almost like a sunset on a beach ? I just saw the current flag, and had to look it up, because I wondered when they changed it. It was adopted in 1889. I was relieved because I read it as 1989, then ran cold as I realized it was 1889.

    The reason I remember it that way, is when I was younger I watched an Olympics and saw the flag, and made on going jokes that I was going to emigrate to Brazil, because I loved the flag. (always a joke in Canada to move to a warmer country)

    I used to quit like flags of the world, and I was really put off when I saw a few that didn’t match my memory, but Brazil is definitely way off. Curious to see if anyone else remembers that?

    Thanks,
    and Extra Thanks to Fiona for all your work and insights into this phenomena!

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    1. Penny, I remember that flag! I remember how much I liked it because most flags are so boring and that one was so colorful, with its orange and yellow and red. I also remember how the uniforms the athletes wore in the parade of nations matched the colors of the flag. I thought the other countries should be more like that – having more fun expressing themselves. It was certainly a surprise to notice the new flag!

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  36. Hi everyone,

    My (2nd) ex-wife texted me last night about a disturbing shift, though I hadn’t caught the text ’til this morning. Has anyone else noticed the “new” (to me, at any rate) Lamb Chop song? (Puppet show, Shari Lewis.)

    Please wait a moment before you Google, YouTube [1], or Wiki [2] it (Wikipedia does list some variants of it, though none are quite “my” version): try to recall the words as _you_ remember them before you look for its “current” version.

    This is a song that I knew because of the show, not from other people singing it — source, not second-hand.

    /// Warning — possible-suggestion alert; _my_ memory of the lyrics, below:
    .
    “This is the song that never ends /
    it just goes on and on my friends /
    some people started singing a long, long time ago /
    [something-something-something- – -something “do not know”(?) / “may never know”(?)] /
    because this is the song that never ends /
    [ad infinitum]…”
    .
    .
    .
    The “current” version is as follows:
    .
    “This is the song that doesn’t end /
    yes it goes on and on, my friend /
    some people started singing it, not knowing what it was /
    and they’ll continue singing it forever just because /
    [ad infinitum]…”
    .
    end of lyrics’ transcriptions’ possible-suggestion alert ///

    My ex- quoted to me the same 1st line as I remember it being (and specifically refuted the “current” version’s 1st line), but said that she’s “Not sure about the ‘started singing a long long time ago part'” (3rd line); she didn’t comment on the 2nd or 4th lines.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ztfrr8fls (YouTube of the “current” version)
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_That_Never_Ends (Wiki’s variants)

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  37. ok I have a surreal one. I was reading a blog discussing the lords prayer ( this is not a religious post fyi) and how it now said IN earth as it is heaven…. I thought no that isn’t right… it’s ON earth as it is in heaven.. so I looked up several versions online including the old king james.. all of them now say IN EARTH… wha???? so I have these old family bibles that are hundreds of years old ( my family are genealogist) the one dated 1809 copywrite said IN EARTH…. I can’t tell you how my stomach dropped out I never get used to the idea that reality isn’t constant. The others said IN EARTH… all 18th century copywrites. except for ne which was 1790 and that just so happened to be missing the 3 pages of matthew that its on.

    Now I was thinking what is IN EARTH… as if it too is like IN HEAVEN. Are we IN EARTH? and what does that mean?

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    1. ayla, it’s a translation issue, and depends on which you’re looking at. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Prayer for some of the differences, where most are “on earth.”

      The original Greek: ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς // The Latin liturgical version: sicut in caelo, et in terra. (Emphasis added.)

      Per Google Translate (Latin to English): “Et in terra” means “and on the ground.”

      Many Christian prayers refer to the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. However, that translation was influenced by King James’ sometimes polarized opinions about religion. Always check the original phrasing — Greek, Latin, or Hebrew — whatever is the earliest you can find, before accepting any translation.

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        1. Naomi,

          Over the past few years, I’ve received several comments like this every week, and sometimes more often. I’m not sure what the point is.

          If you’d like to discuss this topic at a Fiona-free site, Reddit has several related sub-groups.

          AboveTopSecret is another site with speculative discussions that cover a broader base and aren’t as closely moderated as this one, and I’m sure there are other great websites, message boards, and forums.

          MandelaEffect.com just happens to be my website. (More or less. I like to think this is a collaborative project with lots of interesting people sharing many viewpoints and insights.)

          At this site, my focus is fairly narrow and I think my biases are clear. However, I try to include alternate, intelligent opinions and arguments.

          The simple fact is, as far as I know, I’m the one who (with “Shadow,” many years ago at Dragon Con) came up with the phrase “Mandela Effect.” I started this website over five years ago, to find out how many others had an alternate memory related to Nelson Mandela’s death. At the time, one of my publishers and I thought this might be a good topic for a book. (It will be… but not the way we’d originally envisioned it.)

          So, this is where the online “Mandela Effect” discussions started.

          Over the years, more alternate memories have been suggested via comments and emails. As a result, this website, its popularity, and the topic have all grown at an unexpected pace to a completely astonishing size. (Really: Reddit subgroups discussing my website and research, and these conversations…? To me, that borders on the surreal.)

          However, you seem to be replying to some of my research notes: Specifically, when I was responding to ayla’s interesting question about the Lord’s Prayer. I’m not being “judge and jury” about that; it’s simple history. Go ahead and fact-check it. It’s not as if I’m asking anyone to believe that — or anything else at my websites — on faith. (No pun intended.)

          I hope I’ve made my point: Any time you don’t enjoy a particular website, the intelligent decision is to leave it and find a site you will enjoy.

          It seems as if you liked this site around October 7th, when you first commented here. You’ve participated in several conversations, some more happily than others. About a month and a half later, your latest comment suggests this website isn’t a good match for your interests. You’re not happy here, and you’re upset with me. I don’t know what to say, except… well, perhaps you’ll find what you’re looking for at Reddit, etc.

          Sincerely,
          Fiona Broome

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          1. Just to give the other side of the coin, I come here to find out the lastest talk regarding ME, but also use it to fact check. I am a big proponent of being open minded, but facts are facts and have to be weighed whether they support or refute a particular ME. Nobody likes feeling like they are wrong, but Fiona does her best to keep this place SAFE so that we can DARE TO BE WRONG !

            “With great power, comes great responsibility.” and when a person is in a position like Fiona is, sometimes there is NO RIGHT ANSWER! Only whats best for the community. I don’t want to see anyone leave. We need diversity for perspective. I hope you hang in with us Naomi.

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        2. I,the jury,Mike Hammer, was the alter ego of Mickey Spillane,an Irish,but not without reason he simply disliked being double crossed.Birdy Edwards another Irish created by the revered Irish, A.C.Doyle never lost sight of his mission in life,Sir Denis Nayland Smith the alter ego of Sax Rohmer(also an Arthur and Irish) was always nonchalant of his fate in face of adversity, carrying out his deemed duty.So were JFK and Aimee Semple and Lennon and Jack London,all irish.Perhaps it’s in the blood.

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      1. I may be wrong, but I think what ayla is trying to say is that it’s not a translation thing for her. That at some previous point in her life the same versions of the bible said “on earth” and now those same bibles says “in earth.”

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        1. Steve M., I agree: It might be a Mandela Effect issue for ayla.

          When I looked into the prayer, I was astonished to see the conflicting translations. Skimming the text of that familiar prayer, I’m not sure I’d previously paid much attention to whether it was in or on. But, like ayla, I assumed all versions said “…on earth.” So, seeing the KJV was a surprise to me.

          Surveying the Lord’s Prayer, online, whether the prayer is said “…on earth” or “…in earth” seems to be a coin flip. In terms of Bible translations, the “on earth” translations seems to be slightly more popular. (Ref. http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-10.htm )

          But, regarding ayla’s comment, she said this: “so I looked up several versions online including the old king james.. all of them now say IN EARTH… wha????”

          It wasn’t clear to me that she’d previously read the KJV, or had looked it up before (online or IRL), just that she was familiar with the Lord’s Prayer. Then, she checked her family’s Bibles, and they were KJV, repeating the “…in earth” translation. That’s all I saw in her comment.

          If someone says to me, “I’ve read this passage at least once a week, all of my life, and suddenly it’s changed in the same book I’ve been reading for years,” that sounds like Mandela Effect. However, if someone says, “Wait, I always thought the famous passage was such-and-such, but when I researched it, that’s not always the case,” that’s something I’ll study to find a possible explanation.

          To me, ayla’s comment sounded like the latter. I researched it, and found a translation issue that could explain some differences in phrasing. ayla is the only one who can decide if that’s a reasonable explanation for what she experienced.

          In the future, I could limit comments to those that give a clear context to each reported, apparent discrepancy. Had I not approved ayla’s comment and looked into the issue, we wouldn’t be sidetracked like this, over a topic that may or may not be related to the Mandela Effect.

          To me, there’s a wide gap between “I always thought…” and “I know it used to be different because [specific, credible-sounding historical context], but now it’s not.”

          However, if I limited comments to the latter, I’d be dismissing many alternate memories that have no evidentiary support in this reality.

          This website was supposed to explore, research, and highlight alternate memories. I wanted to discuss the most credible and popular alternate memories as something beyond simple flukes, “false memories,” or confusions.

          Also, I think it’s been helpful to connect people that hold firm to those same, alternate memories, even in the face of minimal social, scientific, or historical proof.

          As a side benefit, I believe we’ve shared theories and insights that — combined — point to some interesting possible explanations.

          This website has provided five years of fascinating conversations, but maybe the point has been made: Many people have alternate memories that corroborate each other, beyond anything “me, too” can explain.

          It’s something I’ve been thinking about for the past few weeks, and an increasing number of angry comments — Naomi’s being typical in sentiment, but one of the few PG-rated in the bunch — are giving me more reason to consider broad website/policy changes for 2016.

          That’s not about ayla, or you, or anyone else. Not even Naomi. It might be about the life cycle of websites, or of topics of discussion. I’m not sure, but things changed at this site. (I’m sure some will point to the shift when the Sept 22/23 article appeared, and I can’t dismiss that as a possible trigger for deliberate discord.)

          But, these are things I’m thinking about, and this was as good a place as any, to mention it.

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          1. Fiona,

            Thank you for the reply to my comment. First, I’m sorry that I got sidetracked, or side tracked the web site. That was certainly never my intention. I probably responded to ayla’s post too soon, but it was just an observation, not an indictment of anyone’s ideas and certainly not of this web site.

            I’m sorry to hear the the web site has gotten off track and muddled. That makes me sad. I’ve always enjoyed this web site and the lively discussions that are had here. I thought I was going read that you were considering shutting down the site, so I was very happy to read that you’re only considering material changes.

            I also apologize to you and everyone else who reads my comments, it sounds like perhaps my comments are being misinterpreted. I think it’s difficult for me to articulate myself well in writing. I cannot convey tone or intonation and I think that makes a big difference.

            I’ll end with saying that I have much respect for you and what you’re doing here. Thank you.

            Regards,
            Steve M.

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            1. Steve M.,

              Don’t worry. I value all of your comments. You simply gave me a chance to respond to several comments (less tactfully said, and unpublishable) that were related to ayla’s comment, Naomi’s comment, and my replies to both of them.

              I apologize. It probably seemed like I was bristling in response to your comment. I wasn’t. I’d actually been bristling since around 05:30 (GMT) this morning, when I started my day by reading the latest comments at this site.

              If anything, it was a relief to see your comment. It’s something I could approve… and reply to.

              Also, about the sidetrack problem: It’s been a slow trend, and it’s one that I should have done something about, far sooner. Starting immediately, I’m going to be much more selective about which “me, too” comments I approve, as well as how far off-topic we can stray. (I’ll also babble less, myself. Today was one of those days when I needed to articulate what’s going on, clearly, so there are few misunderstandings.)

              You express yourself well. Please, don’t go silent on us! It can be difficult to convey intent through plain text. I know that. Often, it seems as if people believe I’m serious when I think my words are dripping sarcastic humor. And, sometimes when I’m very serious (and hoping people read even more between the lines), they think I’m joking.

              It’s a dilemma. Or a dilemna. Or both. LOL

              I’m not considering shutting down the site, but I may do something about the (sometimes) wild rampage of comments. I think people come here from Reddit and expect the same comment policy. There, inflammatory and irresponsible comments are deleted when the mods see them… after the comments have gone live on the site. (Here, I screen every comment before the public sees it, and I try to be very selective about what appears on this site.)

              At Reddit, I think people feel as if they’ve been heard, if only for an hour or so. They may never even realize when their comments are removed.

              Here, some see me as a horrid censor who never lets them speak their minds.

              I am considering several options for this website and how I handle comments. That’s partly about this site’s focus. It’s also about the time I spend here. Things seem to be simmering down; just a few weeks ago, moderating comments took me three to five hours on an average day.

              One hour is all I consider reasonable, especially if I expect to analyze all 8k+ comments and (finally) write my book about the Mandela Effect.

              So, one of my immediate goals is to find a way to continue our most fascinating discussions into 2016, without getting lost along the (often interesting) sidetracks.

              That may mean some radical changes, but shutting down this site isn’t something I’d consider.

              Cheerfully (really),
              Fiona

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              1. ok.. I didn’t realize I set off a bmb here. I was raised fundamentalist Christian. I was forced to read the bible through every year from page one. I didn’t go into my background because I was trying to avoid going off topic. After reading Fionas brush off I was disappointed and didn’t come back to look because I had mixed feelings and didn’t want again to go off topic. That being said, it did change for ME. I KNOW my bibles version has always been ON earth. We said the lords prayer every sunday dinner ( we had a different prayer every day of the week) I did check my personal bibles. I just stated the change to the older bibles because I felt that was more relevant and I didn’t realize that I had to justify my religious upbringing to be believed. Not that its a big deal it is just one word.. I am aware of serious new translation changes… like psalms… the valley of death has now become just through darkness. but the ON earth thing hit me in the gut as my original post said,,, because IN earth takes it a different way… I’m not on earth i’m IN earth and that is NOT what I have read and said my entire life… and if that dsnt mean anything to anyone else then that’s fine.. I only come here to share my experiences and to see of others do too. ( or if its just me which it could be) I enjoy this site for that reason. Im sorry everyone was outta sorts over this.

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                1. ayla, you have no reason to apologize. A lot more was going on behind the scenes than you (or anyone besides me, and the people who’ve left unattractive comments) could see.

                  I’d put off important changes at this website for far too long. Yesterday’s comments got me to quit procrastinating, so I’m actually grateful.

                  I’m also glad you put your comment in a more complete context. For me, that makes all the difference in the world.

                  You didn’t have to explain your upbringing. What I needed was a clear statement that you’d read those Bibles in the past, and you were sure that they’d said something different.

                  It’s not that I didn’t believe your first comment. I did. To me, it sounded as if you’d always thought the Lord’s Prayer said “on earth,” but — in the past few days — when you looked it up online and in Bibles around your home, they contradicted your previous impression of the prayer.

                  I hope you see the difference, and I’m sorry that your feelings were hurt.

                  In the future, I’m going to be more firm about asking for the specific context of alternate memories… exactly why people are sure that reality changed.

                  That’s not a matter of being believed. It’s about having a context — some points of reference — that give us something more solid to work with.

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                2. We have been seeing a lot of vowel changes lately in names and words. (Berenstein to Berenstain, Reba McIntyre to McEntire, etc.) This one would represent a change from O to I. There are, of course, also a lot of consonant changes, and entire words, as well. What do you remember about Isaiah 11:6? It seems that different people have very different recollections about what this one says.

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                  1. Vivienne, ayla is no longer commenting here. She posted a private comment to that effect.

                    And, in general, I try to steer clear of religious discussions. From past experience, they lead to translation issues, dogma, and heated arguments.

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      2. Hi, Fiona,

        My Greek is practically non-existent, so I can’t comment on that, but I can understand the different translations of Latin having occurred.

        That being said though, if The Berenstein Bears can have been changed, yet still be recalled with an “E”, then much like Ayla’s English translations, couldn’t the original Koiné, Latin, Aramaic, etc., have also become worded differently retroactively (such that although someone might recall the wording of a given language, even ancient, it suddenly becomes something else, and suddenly always had been that new version — the corollary being that necessarily the ancients would have known the original version, and then the “new” original version overwrote it, even back then, presumably changing most of their memories, though perhaps not all).

        Rather like the strange loop [1] reference that I had made to the Mandela Effect being self referential, once the question arises of past events being affected, one can no longer use a past reference to verify/refute another past reference’s veracity.

        [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop

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  38. I did some research, in the mid 90s, about the Tchernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.
    Now there are different ways to spell it, Chornobyl, Chernobyl at least…
    In my memory it was always Tchernobyl. Anything related to this disaster IN FRENCH
    was and still using the same spelling. Weird thing is that i remember reading articles
    ( mid 90s ) in english with no different spelling… And now i can’t find any !

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  39. There is a creepy story written in 1999 by a person that retells his (real, not fictional) experience returning to Moscow in a summer and suddenly stumbling in several previously unknown metro (subway, underground) stations, devoid of people and adverisement. He rides an empty train through all of these stations, unable to remember any of them in his past life in Moscow, and he gradually freaks out. At the end of that story the author (the protagonist) finds out that a new metro line has been opened on the previous day and that explains his experience.

    That story can be found by Google:

    https://www.google.ru/search?q=%22H%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8F+%D0%BE%D0%BD+%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE+%D0%BE%D1%82+%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE+%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    There’s, however, some Mandela Effect in that story.

    That person clearly remembers that he just returned to Moscow after he took some rest out of town in that summer.

    That person clearly remembers that the subway stations were devoid of people and they were opened very recently.

    However, Wikipedia contradicts that and lists those stations as opened on 28 December 1995:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozhukhovskaya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krestyanskaya_Zastava

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimskaya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chkalovskaya_%28Moscow_Metro%29

    December in Moscow is not, by all means, summer-like.

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  40. Does anyone else recall Bob Marley being shot and killed in Jamaica? Apparently now he died of cancer in Miami.

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    1. I have already posted about Sicily’s location in my memory. I remember clearly Sicily being way far from the “boot” and speaking of this particular shape, i also mentioned, Italy was the only country looking like a “boot”. New Zealand is now shaped like Italy. Digging into this further, i found a project called “Strait of Messina Bridge”, i never heard of it before. For an obvious reason: the distance is NOW so tiny that a bridge should have been built for decades. In my memory, the distance was big enough to explain the absence of any bridge between Sicily and Italy’s main land.

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  41. I have just spent the better part of 2 hours looking for the posts on Cat Stevens and Harry Chapin … Very frustrating as I read at least four posts this morning the 21st of November…..What? Its the 20th? Well maybe ill see them tomorrow.

    My recollection of this morning:
    I saw a post two days ago stating Cat Stevens didn’t record Cats in the Cradle (now spelled with one D), that someone named Harry ChapMAN recorded it. I did no research on it … thinking of get back to it. I forgot about it. Saw the post again tho morning and saw replies. One person never heard of Harry Chapman (me either). Listen to his greatest hits this morning (the only one I recognized was Cats Cradle (title change also?) Now I go to listen to Cat Stevens and o can’t seem to differentiate their voices depending on the song.
    So I text a friend of mine who is more knowledgeable with 60s/70s music. He only text back > Harry ChaPIN <

    Hence, my frustration of not finding the posts cause I recall seeing Chapman and I want to confirm. But I realized it could have changed in the blink of an eye.

    One other poster I think DbD mentioned that the songs may have some messages in them based on ME and it was as obvious as the titles (not verbatim < spelled differently than I recall)

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  42. Hi Fiona
    It may be time to start a general music thread…

    I have come across what son might say are Minor Memory changes because of the popularity …
    Nickel Creek, Fiona Apple, Fiction Family all have differences in my recollection. Some disturb me! Fiona’s inflections with her voice and piano playing were more pronounced!

    According to internet Don McLean recorded ‘American Pie’ in 1971 … that was always my memory until I was doing research on my McCartney book and found it was recorded in 1980 which made me feel it may have been written about John Lennon and other people said the same (no clue where I got that info from). After my upset stomach went away (after listening to Harry Chapin and talking with some older friends who remember him) I noticed American Pie, thought id give it a listen as I knew the song very well and sang it all the time with being very proud of myself for getting the verses right. Well now … parts of verses have changed position. Some at the beginning should be at the end and vice versa. And it was recorded in ’71 again. After that I noticed one of my favorite if not favorite Bob Dylan song…

    I am a fan of Bob Dylan’s more popular tunes. I am/was sure ‘Stuck in the middle with you” was Bob Dylan. Now its from a band that I never heard of. The voice is similar but not what I recall … The disturbing part for me is the clip below … everyone, for years, told me to watch Pulp Fiction and still I never have … this clip mentions in the movie that its a Bob Dylan style song… I can still here Bob Dylan singing it (as with you mentioned with Cat Stevens) but Dylan singing it is nowhere to be found…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wpryvDJSGT0

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    1. That probably wasn’t the best video I could have posted for the Stuck in the Middle with you song. I didn’t watch the whole thing (now I know why I haven’t watched that movie) before posting. But the beginning does make my point. The following is by Stealers Wheels listed as Bob Dylan …

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    2. Anthony, I think you’re right. A general music thread may be part of the upcoming design changes at this site. I’m looking at ways to group pop culture topics so they’re easy to find, and we don’t have new visitors leaving comments without realizing they’re actually saying “me, too.”

      But about that song: I never heard of that band, either, but I can sing most of the “Stuck in the Middle with You” song, without hesitation. That’s odd. I’m usually a stickler for knowing which singer or band recorded which popular song.

      Also, Wikipedia says it was recorded as a parody of Bob Dylan’s music.

      It would have been like Dylan to record a cover of it, himself, just to show how much better he’d have handled it. LOL

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      1. Fiona, I recently and coincidentally accidently bumped into a book of all Bon Dylan’s recordings. The song in question ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ was not listed.

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      1. John O,
        Never seen either movie. What’s strange to me is why I thought it was from Pulp Fiction. I assumed that’s what it said on the video. Not now of course. I tried to reverse engineer where I got the info, to no avail. I did listen again to the Steelers Wheel version and that is NOT the voice I remember singing the song. Disturbing, I liked Bob’s version.

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    3. Hi, Anthony,

      I hate to go with a simple “me too” posting, but I’m with Fiona on this one. I’ve never heard of “Stealers Wheel”, either, though I too can certainly sing the song (with musical accompaniment, for prompts) reasonably correctly. In my case, I believe that I had simply assumed that it had been Dylan (though any other possible M.E. reason would explain it, too), since I don’t actually have a solid memory of who had sung it, or why I think that it was one person/group vs. another.

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    4. Anthony, I never heard of stealers wheel either, until mentioned here. I do know Gerry rafferty though, one of the band’s original members, and am familiar with his solo work. I just listened to some other stealers wheels radio hits, and none of them sound familiar other than stuck in the middle with you. I’ve mentioned before that I’m a huge music fan, especially classic rock, have a large collection of vinyl, and have spent a lot of time perusing used vinyl records. So along with Harry Chapin, I can count stealers wheel in bands I’ve never heard of until now.

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  43. Hi all,

    Anthony’s entry about “The Polar Express” reminded me of something.

    He’d mentioned Adm. Byrd and a North Pole expedition. He’d also mentioned having only this year heard of Adm. Byrd’s South Pole expedition, which is the same for me: also only this year.

    In any event: I can’t qualify this as a solid M.E., since I’m relating a story that my (maternal) grandmother had told me in my childhood (age 4, placing her then at age 66). My memory of it is clear, and her grasp of minutiae was always incredibly sharp, but it’s not something that I had experienced directly.

    The story that she had related was of an expedition to the North Pole. I think that it related to Adm. Peary, though I could be wrong on that point. It seems that the protagonist had known that the expedition was doomed to fail — starve to death, to be precise — and he had told the rest of the crew that “[He was] going to take a walk” and “[would] probably be a while”. His act (assuming that he had in fact done this, rather than that it had been something less noble by the others) ultimately saved the others’ lives.

    Wikipedia (and others) currently indicates that this had actually been during a subsequent South Polar expedition, and that it had been by Lawrence Oates (of whom I’ve never heard), with his last words having been in line with my rough memory of her version: “I am just going outside and may be some time.”. In this reality, he succeeded in freezing himself to death, for the others, but for nought: they, too, died in any event, soon thereafter.

    It had very definitely been the North Pole, though, and she was an absolute history buff. She also didn’t pull punches; if people died, she said so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Oates

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    1. CTE, how extraordinary! I’d heard that story before, only about Peary (though that could have been Byrd, definitely not Oates) but it was definitely near the North Pole. Terrible tale, either way, but someone besides your grandmother must have had that memory, or I wouldn’t have heard it, as well. (Well, not unless I knew your grandmother, or an associate of hers who shared the anecdote, or something similar.)

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  44. I was fascinated to find this site and subject today. I’ve noticed anomalies most all my life and I would call it just paying attention to detail to the micro level. The one thing that really grabbed my attention was new years eve of 2011.

    I made a wish that night because I was so burned out on my software business I wished that everybody would just go away leave me alone and not come back. On New Years Day 2012 I went out to breakfast to my favorite Mexican food place. I called the night before to make sure they’re going to be open because it takes about a half hour to get there.

    When I got to the restaurant the plaza it is in was like a ghost town and nobody was at the Mexican restaurant. I was very puzzled. So after about 10 minutes I decided to go to a different breakfast restaurant about 10 minutes away.

    As I got onto the frontage road to get back on the highway out of the blue it looked as if the entire earth was shifting from the 12 o’clock to the quarter til as you would see on a clock. I hit the brakes for balance and then pulled over into the median. After a few minutes of waiting I turned on my hazard lights and drove very slowly up the highway on the median. I finally made my way to a Cracker Barrel restaurant I was seated right away and I sat down wondering what the hell had just happened to me.

    After breakfast I got back in my car and slowly made my way home I had to pull over 3 times what normally would have taken about 10 minutes to get back home to over 45 minutes.

    I noticed for the rest of the week / my wish that my entire base of over 30,000 registered users had completely disappeared. Call stopped coming in. Emails stop coming in. And no one was using the website shopping cart anymore. I went from doing very well financially to barely hanging on in just a matter of a couple of months. My entire world had shifted and went the opposite way it was heading nothing was the same anymore.

    I had to move from my beautiful home in a prestigious neighborhood into a tiny little house in the one area in town I swore I would never ever move into and that became my safe haven house.

    I’ve been in this timeline for 4 years now barely hanging on week to week to month to month. It’s like living in a dark bad movie.

    As of this week my timeline changed again and it went into one of prosperity out of the blue overnight here it is. Even my daughter noticed the other day as I did the outside looks completely different a hundred times more beautiful than what it had look like. Everything feels different everything looks different. I went from negative $83 in the bank $2,000 in the positive overnight and then a phone call came in for a $2,000 deal just last Friday and my site traffic is up and Cell are better than I’ve ever seen in the last 4 years.

    I learned how to slide into this dimension and it took those years to find that path. It was an excruciating trail that I would wish upon no one. But the things I have learned through that strange time anomaly that I went through gave me such a broad real knowledge base that I to have learn how to manifest practically on the fly and it proves to me none of us are living in what we think we are.

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    1. That’s a scary story, Steve, and I’m glad it has a happy ending. I guess I’d better be careful what I wish for, especially now that I’m becoming more aware of Mandela Effect events. I wonder if it’s true that we really do have the power to change our lives–and the world– with a thought, if only we could connect to whatever part of the brain is responsible for that. Maybe some people already do, and that’s why ME happens in the first place.

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